Making DVDs - having heaps of trouble

Begbie wrote on 8/18/2003, 5:13 PM

Hi i have footage on my miniDV cam that a friend shot and i have played it back direct from the cam and it plays fine on the TV, i have captured the footage and played it back in media player and it plays fine and played it back from the VV4 time line and it plays fine.

After editing i render as PAL Seperate streams leaving all settings as default except the field order which i change to upper field first, as i believe this to be correct for PAL - and was always required to make SVCDs.

I then make a DVD with the rendered files using either DVD lab or DVDA and render this to VOBs - i then use Nero to put the files on DVD media - i ahve tried nero5 and nero6

I then tested these DVDs in progressive NTSC dvd player and interlaced PAL players (3 different players, projectors and TVs) the display ALWAYS has these 2 sections on the screen that are REALLY 'jittery' one is right in the middle and the other right at the top going all the way across the screen maybe about 1/6th of the total height of the screen high each.

Could some one please tell me what i need to do or what i am doing wrong that is creating this? Its driving me NUTS and costing me a truckload in DVDR - i have tried burning on all 4 types of DVDR media and same result.

Comments

farss wrote on 8/18/2003, 6:46 PM

I don't know why you changed the field order, whatever you use to encode is probably changing to whatever it thinks it should be i.e. reversing what change you made!

Either that or it should be lower field first. I cannot see why, its certainly go to come out of the DVD player lower field first.

By the way if I'm in the slightest bit unsure I burn a DVD+RW first, much cheaper in the long run.

I've never changed any of the DVDA / VV defaults (apart from bitrate) and have never had a problem.

donp wrote on 8/18/2003, 7:22 PM

I agree with farss. for what ever format you are rendering for never change the default values other than the bit rate if you must. Field order is quite tricky and I wouldn't use SVCD field order for a DVD PAL or NTSC. Change back to the default values and burn the files to a DVD-rw. If that works then copy the RW to a DVD -r or what ever you do. That's what I do. I don't have any $3.50 coasters yet.

farss wrote on 8/18/2003, 8:02 PM

One thing I'd add,
if you're making VCDs or SVCDs use TMPGEnc, I'd only suggest that if you've less than optimal source. If its clean (ie no noise etc) the the MC encoder that come with VV is as just as good from what I can see but TMPEnc seems to handle poor (ie from VHS) video a noticable amount better.

I don't know why everyone is down on VCD either, for one third of the worlds population that's all they have and it can look quite acceptable, particularly as they only have small TVs. Mind you I've bought some pretty crap quality commercial VCDs.

Begbie wrote on 8/18/2003, 9:10 PM

Thanks - when i get home i will try again.

IS there anyway to change this in the seperate streams files without hvaing to recapture all the footage? I think i am buggaring this up now.

I have read HEAPS of stuff in this forum about PAL requiring upper field first - i must have it wrong some how?

I have been using -/+RW a bit only made a couple of -/+R to try the different media.

VCD is COMPLETELY unnacceptable on my widescreen HD TV :)

farss wrote on 8/18/2003, 11:00 PM

PAL as far as I know is always lower field first, I'd agree if you've got a half decent telly then VCD is a pretty sad, so probably is VHS. Just try to make the point though that as 'pros' we forget that most people (I mean that globally) are lucky to have a TV, if they can watch a recorded program they are over the moon, no matter what the quality. That where VCDs have there place, very cheap to make and transport.

SonyEPM wrote on 8/19/2003, 9:23 AM

PAL DV, unless shot as progressive, is always lower field first. You don't have to recapture but you do need to re-render the MPEG files, as lower.