Joe,

No problems at all with the Oct 5 package. Hell, never had problems with the 5.12.1.20 drivers either (Beta). I am running Win 2K with the entire SF suite.

Cuzin B

Hello,

I too run the newest Delta drivers but on Win ME, and don't have any problems, But when I first installed, I had a conflict with another device, but it didn't show up in device manager. I had to go into IRQ assignments to find the problem, then I changed the PCI slot and it fixed the prob.

Hope this helps,

See ya, Rockit

Hey just for fun while were on this subject of Maudio Midiman lying azz buttheads, try this test :

http://www.geocities.com/ghostofrobotpresent

Yep, tried that little test of tests...disconcerting to some (but not to me at the time)...but it raises the question "where's Maudio in ANY of these replies?"

As for the drivers:
Ok. I've already been through the "those that can and those that never will" with their drivers....but I'm willing to give it another shot (install W2k).
So I'll dive ONE more time into Maudio WDM's (come on 7....daddy needs some new teef)

I found almost EVERY driver to be subpar to the MME 4.1.22.27s...so I hope all is better.

BTW: even a MINISCULE amount of crackling is UNNACCEPTABLE to me.

thanks,
Joe

If it isn't, I swear I'm going to drop kick the delta up the Maudio CEO's ass.

Well, I have to admit that I'm beginning to wonder why the hell I've dumped all this money into M-audio gear. I am having the same problems...and since I can't get the damn thing to work without the noise, I haven't even had an opportunity to find the phasing problem yet. Arrrggghhh. Are there drivers that are working in Win98? I've tried a couple, but have had no luck as of yet.

You wont BELIEVE this....or maybe you will if you subscribe to the seemingly more and more plausible theory that these companies DONT have programmers on staff...well I digress.

No joke, a LOT of people were using Hoontech ( ST Audio's) WDM drivers for Delta 1010 while they were waiting for midiman to put iout their WDM drivers.

The guy who wrote that web page I posted earlier was one of them, you could ask him how.

Yes, there is a driver i've found to be working great under w98se

4.1.22.27's. Try them. Their oldie but goodies.

Unless you use Bonar...screw the W2k with the Delta.
Their limitations are more than unnacceptable.

I spoke with the president himself waaaay back when I first started seeing problems growing.
They have testers and devs (now?...I doubt it) all working to get it off the ground as for the crackle issues as well as proper WDM's.

Now? What I've seen disgusts me. The highpoint in laziness. How could you take a great product and ruin it...?

Hand it to the maudio dev team (if their is one).

I won't even go too far into my last tech suport call to them.
It was THE MOST HILARIOUS THING I'VE EVER TAPED IN MY LIFE. Whenever I'm sad...I'll pop it on and remember how cocky and rude the tech was (incredibly inadequate....like he'd just moved to his new job at Maudio right after his last pizza delivery position). Is it possible to "grow" morons? I think so...cause Maudio techs have it nailed down pat.

Joed

Yep,
These drivers work for me as well (only use 98se)all other drivers after these suck big time.
Have just purchased an STaudio DAC2000 unit and first atempts are all OK and only 2 driver releases in 12 months ? make ye wonder.
Why would they spend so much money developing such a box as the delta 1010 and then screw up on the drivers which then turn the 1010 into an expensive Snuff-Box (without even a friggin lid)
Hey-Ho

Thank you so much...those drivers are working beautifilly for me, although I did have a bit of trouble installing them. Seems the newest WDM's just didn't want to go away. Had the same problem when I tried to use them before, but this time it worked. Luckily, I don't forsee myself using the inputs at both -10 and +4 db, so the phasing issues will not apply to me. You have saved the holidays for about 12 Cincinnati area bands...let me know if I can ever repay the favor.

No problem.

I've been touting the 4.1.22.27s on the www.prorec.com site for some time now.

I got booted off the moronic DELTA FORUM run by Stefan the Idiot and Bob Campbell for disagreeing with their reasons for crackling (It's not VIA you morons...it's the driver. Accept it)

Just make sure to slam the bullshit posts from those morons saying it's solely VIA related.

No, it's MAUDIO RELATED.

have fun,
JoeD

Even if it is Via related that is no excuse as it they are probably the most common chip-set in use at the moment (cheering from the AMD fans in the blue corner)So Maudio sort it out please.

I have been having absolute hell with a MAudio 1010, Vegas, W2K setup. I just talked to tech supt. for MA and surprisingly they were pretty nice. They did however admit to the 512125 driver being a little... fucked. They said there will be a new one in a week or so.
My problem started out as pops and clicks in my audio tracks. They started half way through a project. I finally gave my pc a digital enema and installed W2K insted of 98. Once everything was installed Vegas didn't seem to see the 1010s multiple channels. There was no bus assignment buttons. It just listed MS sound maper and Delta 1010(w/no i/o) under preferences/routing.
Tech@sonicfoundry said Vegas didn't suport the Delta drivers under W2k, but some of you are using this set up?

SF's tech doesn't seem to keep current on Maudio's drivers, maybe it changes too fast for anyone to keep up... The MAudio site has new drivers for the 1010 and other Delta series systems, the current one is 5.12.1.25. It allows all ten channels to work on W2k, and claims to work on XP.

See other threads about clicks, buzzes, and latency problems.

Pat

I am using a Delta 66 card with the
latest WDM drivers (5.12.1.25) in all my
SF apps with no performance problems. I am using
WinXP with all the latest updates from SF(Vegas Video 2.0h, SF 5.0d & ACID 3.0c ). The important thing is to correctly set the "Buffer Size" in the Delta Control Panel. When I am using SONAR 1.31, I have this setting at its lowest allowable value of 2msec (for playing DXi/VSTi softsynths/samplers). At this extreme setting
though, some SF apps, especially Vegas Video will exhibit a "crackling" in the recorded audio. But, if you increase the "Buffer Size" above 2msec( I generally set it @ 6-8msec for SF apps) the "crackling" issue disappears. Using this technique, I am able to playback & record in both SONAR and all of my SF apps @ 44.1Khz/24 bit without breaking a sweat. I have a PIII 1Ghz/512MB/ ASUS CUSL2-C/ WXP, and using the Delta WDM(.25)drivers, with this configuration I have a an extremely stable, high performance DAW.

Billy Buck

Which tells the story of just how VIA related this problem is (see Billy's setup).
It's not solely a VIA thing (again...I'm not saying that it NEVER IS...NEVERS are impossible with any chipset, but most likely...it's not).

However Billy, most people aren't getting that same response when changing the buffer size. Some do.

What does this say...
it shows even more how poorly Maudio tests it's driver as these comments could have been stated long ago had they done this work.

Also, how sure are you that the crackling is COMPLETELY GONE? In my tests, I can REDUCE the crackling using your technique, but NEVER COMPLETELY ELIMINATE IT.

Don't get em wrong, I want this to work as much as the next guy...I like the hardware. I'm just not seeing a true resolve as of yet.

Also, I 've learned to not get too excited by new driver tinkerings by Maudio. The "tweaking" analogy is quite suspect in Maudios case.
Simply based on my years working with devs...i bet a complete re-coding of teh drivers from the ground up are in order (right down to the mixer application) in order to truely correct matters.

But sadly, I don't see Maudio ponying up for this anytime soon.

I hope I'm wrong.

Joed

also...none of this deals with the other issues (MME limitations). Did they say they would be addressing this ALL TOO IMPORTANT ISSUE in Maudio techs reply?

I want superior sound quality over some minute improved latency features. Why?...cause I have clients who care about that...that's why.

I don't use Sonar (UI is cluttered as Cake is famous for and the app isn't as stable as my Vegas 2.0. It just isn't).

Of course, I don't use soft-synths either which is another reason I have no need for it either. I still feel the hardware synths to be far superior...especially the fact that it takes a major load off the system allowing it to handle the meat of what matters...tracking.

I'll leave the argument of $ saved on a soft-synth over hardware betweeen the rest of you. It's all a personal decision there.

Joed

Hi JoeD,
I know you from the prorec discussion list and
about your ongoing saga with the Delta drivers. There is some good news from the SONAR newsgroup, which I frequent a lot, the actual developer of the Delta drivers, Stephan Kappertz ( from Midiman-Germany )
responded to some comments about the Delta drivers:
OK, here's the status:

We are aware of the "not detected inputs of the second card" problem as well
as the "system freeze" problem with low latencies under XP. Both are fixed
in the upcoming release which is currently in internal testing and will be
released in 1-2 weeks.

Stephan Kappertz

And further:

OK, those who are interested in beta testing the next driver version with
SONAR, please send an email to stephan@midiman.de

Thanks,
Stephan Kappertz
MIDIMAN Germany

JoeD, maybe you can take hime up on his beta tester offer :)

Me, I am quite content with the .25 WDM drivers, and I
did check for any subtle "crackling" sound by riding the gain on my Mackie mixer after recording a several minute guitar piece. I still don't have the "crackling" issues that seem to plague you. It may be a VIA issue. I have not heard of anybody with ASUS CUSL2 boards having these unsolvable audio problems with the Delta drivers. Like me, many people are using the Delta WDM .25 drivers on the SONAR newsgroup for the low latencies. Like you, there are a few who are having similar problems.

Good luck,

Billy Buck

First, thank you for the heads up. Big thanks to you. You bet I will be trying out the new driver. Getting (at least) the functionality outta their hardware should have been top priority in the first place...hopefully they will nail it this time.

however...

No time for beta testing again for them (been there when the 1010 first hit with not even a thank you from those goofballs). Once they fix it all up...then I'll shut the heck up.

Nor do I have ANY faith in Stefan who "I feel" falls in the moron category (he's one of the idiots who can't stop touting the VIA relation).
He's also a seriously devoute Cubase and Nuendo user who will be concentrating on ASIO use. No thanky. I need someone who can understand when I say MME.

Basically, any tech FROM maudio is right out with me. It's just shakey ground.

Sadly, I have 5 CUSL-2 systems showing the crackling issue (yes, even with your driver version) along with 2 others that DO NOT EXHIBIT THE CRACKLING.
Sorry Billy...but these kinds of variances "usually" point to the driver in my experience.

At home I use my VIA based P3V4X (for many reasons). It is working greeeeeaaaat with 2 of the way too many driver releases from Maudio. Not a crackle in site.
Different driver...bammmm...crackle.
After the many years of hardware testing, you tend to get a feel for diagnosis....it's the drivers...it's that simple.

If I re-install Sonar, I can use the latest drivers...but I don't prefer Sonar (as you know).
** Especially after reading up on V3.0 coming ;)
Plus, I really havn't had a need to justify WDM's at this point as I don't use soft-synths (one area where I can see where all of you would really want it).

But thanks, I'll try it upon release. I'm happy getting work done with my .27's (MME's) until then.

Come on Maudio...make your hardware look good! You need this.

Joed

Hey JoeD,
As far as the MME drivers go, you are right
about that. I have a dual boot system with WinME/XP
installed. With WinME I am still using the .27 MME drivers. The later versions did exhibit "crackling" in the audio. So I've ended up keeping the .27 drivers installed. But, in XP, the .25 WDM drivers are stable and quiet. Do you have W2K or XP? Even though you primarily use Vegas Video, the latest WDM drivers work very well with Vegas Video 2.0h and also ACID 3.0c and
SF5.0c. Just set the "Buffer Size" in the Delta control panel to anything above 6msec. You will be able to record @ 44.1/24 in all of the above apps with no "crackling". Have you tried the WDM drivers at all
in W2K or XP?

Billy Buck