Max time on 24p DVD

24Peter wrote on 8/6/2006, 9:10 PM
Does anyone know the maximum amount of time I can fit on a 24p DVD edited in Vegas 5 (24pN - 2:3 pulldown), rendered using the DVDA 24p widescreen template and authored in DVDA2? It looks like I'm getting variable bit rates between 5.9 and 7.5 mbps when I use that template so I'm guessing I could get around 75-80 minutes on a DVD. Anyone know for sure?

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farss wrote on 8/7/2006, 3:02 AM
You can fit a huge amount of video onto a DVD, that isn't really the question. The question how much will the qulaity of the video degrade as you try to squeeze more on and that's a rather complex question.

You can fit 60 minutes no sweat, 90 minutes pretty easy, I've even fitted almost 3 hours onto a SL DVD and it held together remarkable well. Beyond a certain point the quality of the source video starts to become the determining factor.

Bob.
John_Cline wrote on 8/7/2006, 7:35 AM
The length of video one can fit on a DVD is determined exclusively by the bitrate used to compress the video and audio. As Bob pointed out, the lower the bitrate, the lower the quality of the video. If you have a video with a lot of motion or video noise, then the video quality will fall apart pretty quickly as you reduce the bitrate, if you have a basically static shot of a "talking head", you can use a MUCH lower bitrate without the video taking a significant quality hit.

John
24Peter wrote on 8/7/2006, 8:50 AM
Guys I understand all that. My question was, using the default DVDA 24p widescreen template in Vegas 5 to render my 24p video, what's the max amount of time I can fit on one DVD. It looks like the average bit rate for the default video is 6 Mbps and for ac3 audio is 192 Kbps for a total of around 6.2Mbps. Isn't that roughly 75-80 minutes on a 4.7GB disc allowing some overhead?
johnmeyer wrote on 8/7/2006, 9:04 AM
Since you understand completely everything that has been said in the previous two responses, then the answer is:

One hour, thirty-eight minutes, twenty-eight seconds.

This is based on the fact that the default 24p Widescreen template uses an average bitrate of 6,000,000 bps. Since you are implying that you don't want to change anything, including the bitrate, this is the amount of time you can get, assuming no fancy menus and assuming no other video or audio on the disc. My bitrate calculator (which I used to answer your question) also assumes a default subpicture size of 207,000 bits and allows 2.7% reserve for the DVD menus and other overhead. It also assumes the audio is encoded using the AC-3 encoder at 192 kbps.

This is an exact answer to your question, exactly as it was asked, assuming you understand everything in the two previous, excellent answers to your question.

While I use my own bitrate calculator, because I added lots of bells and whistles that I wanted, the usual calculator that many people use can be found here:

Bitrate Calculator

It can give you the answer to this, and many other questions.

Finally, there is absolutely zero reason to ever use the default template without changing the bitrate. That, in my opinion, would be folly. Instead, if you have less than 1:38 running time, for heavens sake, INCREASE the bitrate so you get better quality video.

John_Cline wrote on 8/7/2006, 9:08 AM
Assuming one non-motion menu and a safety margin of 1% of the total space on the disc, you can get roughly 98 minutes of video on a single-sided 4.7 gig disc using 6mbps video and 192kbps audio.

John
24Peter wrote on 8/7/2006, 5:10 PM
Thanks for the replies.

Johnmeyer - I wasn't trying to be a dickhead; perhaps I could have stated my original question better. I actually find the default Vegas 24p template to be quite acceptable for DVD's. Thanks for your thorough and precise answer to my question. :-)
Steve Mann wrote on 8/7/2006, 7:23 PM
"While I use my own bitrate calculator, because I added lots of bells and whistles that I wanted, ..."

You aren't going to share?
johnmeyer wrote on 8/7/2006, 8:11 PM
"While I use my own bitrate calculator, because I added lots of bells and whistles that I wanted, ..."

I did it for myself, so it has absolutely no error checking or other niceties that you would expect from something released to the public. However, as long as you don't expect support, here it is:

MPEG Calculator

It runs in Excel.

The link is good for seven days.