Media and Compatibility

xtime wrote on 8/3/2004, 6:25 AM
While I have experience editing, I am new to DVD's. I have become profiecient with DVDA and have completed my first project for distribution.

However, I completed the project and burned it to Maxell DVD+R media. I distributed the completed project for approval. But half of the of the viewers complained that they had problems viewing the material on their DVD players. The players ranged from brand new to 3 years old and all were respected brands like JVC, Pioneer, Sony and Phillips. In fact, I can view it perfectly on my 3 year old Pioneer player, but it has freeze up problems on my 1 year old JVC unit.

Is there anyway to guarentee trouble free viewing on the client end? If not it seems pretty risky to use this format for commercial projects.

Thanks,

Dave

Comments

johnmeyer wrote on 8/3/2004, 9:26 AM
Lots of discussions about this, every few weeks. You are using good media, so that is probably not the issue. Older players are more compatible with DVD-R, so if you can burn -R instead of +R, try that.

Here is a thread with more info, and links to other threads:

Does bitrate and burn speed affect DVD compatibility?

kentwolf wrote on 8/3/2004, 12:33 PM
Something else to keep an eye on: Bit rate.

This can be a huge killer for some set top players.

I personally do not like to go above 6 MPS even though I believe the DVD spec allows 8.

I have had some 8 MPS projects not play. It would lock up. I reencoded the project with the 6 MPS limit in mind and it played fine.
xtime wrote on 8/3/2004, 12:36 PM
How much video quality loss did you experience?

Dave
JaysonHolovacs wrote on 8/3/2004, 1:02 PM
Actually, my COMPUTER is having fits with some recent media(DVD+RW) I got(can't remember the brand off the top of my head, but it wasn't anything weird). I had one that worked fine and the next two gave the computer/burner fits... they wouldn't burn properly, they wouldn't reformat. It's been ugly. Hopefully you don't have my problem.

If it's only bad on certain DVD players and fine on the computer, it may be bitrate as has been suggested. I have no problems using very high bitrate on my DVDs and my JVC player, but I don't produce DVDs for distribution so that's very limited.

As far as quality, I was unsatisfied with anything less than very high bitrate for my video(9.8 Mbps max, 8Mbps avg, 2 pass VBR). But it depends very much on personal opinion and on the video encoded. My video has a lot of motion, pans, etc, and they artifact a bit without high bitrate. Your experience will vary depending on what you encode.

-Jayson
kentwolf wrote on 8/3/2004, 1:18 PM
>>How much video quality loss did you experience?

I don't really know how to quantify that.

Depending on your MPG2 encoder, it can look just fine...but as someone else said, much of it is in the eye of the beholder.

Personaly, I would be glad to sacrifice a little quality so at least the disk plays. A high-quality non-playing disk is not of much value.
JaysonHolovacs wrote on 8/3/2004, 2:20 PM
Kentwolf,
Agreed, a non-playing disc is worthless. But it depends what it is for. If I use it for personal use only, and all my players play it, and my computer reads it, why not use high bitrate? It means my archived videos retain a closer quality to the original.

On the other hand, if you are going to distribute it, it's a totally different matter. Then you need to support the least common denominator of your target audience. So lower bit rates are a must.

I suppose if you really want to be crazy, you can produce a "safe" version of the disk rendered at a lower bitrate and a high quality version rendered at the higher bitrate. If you ever lose your source and need to reauthor(hopefully this doesn't happen), you'll be happy to have the higher quality version. Producing versions should be easy... same exact DVD-A2 project, just re-render in Vegas and replace the input files and re-prep the DVD. Anyone think this won't work for some reason? All the lengths and times should match up.

I remember a post from a poor forum member who was asked to re-author a wedding DVD with added footage a few months later(that seems like a strange request to begin with, but we'll leave that discussion alone). He only had a very highly optimized release of the DVD with bitrates he had tweaked very carefully to fit it on one DVD and it was at the absolute edge of acceptable quality(as the poster indicated). Without source or even a high bitrate MPEG to work from, the poster had to resort to trying to patch the MPEG file together with the new footage without re-rendering any of it. I don't know how it turned out, but it sounds like it could have been tricky. And now HOW can he make it fit on one DVD?

-Jayson
xtime wrote on 8/4/2004, 6:58 AM
NOTE: While I am looking for input and help, I am also reporting results in hopes of contributing to the Knowledge base.

Well Well Well ... The -R encoded at 8,000Mbps disc played fine on my JVC and Panasonic set top players (+R would only play on the Pioneer.)
When I tested it in a Daewoo Model DVD-5800 it wouldn't even load the project.

I plan to go back tonight and re-encode the project at 7000Mbps and see if that helps.