Media Management and Bins - Organization tips

Jackie_Chan_Fan wrote on 8/29/2005, 1:15 AM

With Vegas 6 having a new "media manager", i'm not quite clear how "Bins" fit into the workflow now.

I know work that is included in the edit will be in your bin, and can be arranged etc.

I'm curious how the media manager fits into the bin workflow? Do you organize all of your clips in the manger as if it were a bin? Then drag them into bins?

Or do you just use your bins?

Its a little confusing, and frankly the media manager crashing isnt enjoyable.

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Grazie wrote on 8/29/2005, 1:31 AM

JCF! - Good Qs!

I think of Media Manager as "Global" and Bins as "Local".

If a want to "scourer" my 5 hard drives for a specific file, MM. If I want to group a bunch of Acid Loops in the way I think I feel about them - Grazie's Kool Jazz Loops ( if such a concept exists! ) Media Manger. If I want a bunch of Compos to be at arms reach - Media Manager. If I want to find and import an unfinished VEG project INTO the one I'm working on - search Media Manager.

Organising my stuff within a VEG, that's gotta be Bins . . Bins are good for keeping me focused on the job in hand. Bins help me to make edit decisions for THAT project.

Good question! Gets to the "core" of what is truly excellent about Vegas 6 . . I hope others will bring their creative workflows into this thread.

Grazie

Jackie_Chan_Fan wrote on 8/29/2005, 2:19 AM

I see that bin's do not respect the thumbnail that is set in the media manager using "choose thumbnail"

I find it all a little confusing. I could infact just use the media manager as i would bins, and have better thumbnails for my clips, or i could arrange my clips into bins in the project media window.

If this were avid, we would be arranging bins, now that we have an additional media management system, it certainly does confuse the workflow.

But as i think of it, i can see Grazie's work flow idea. If i'm not mistaken, one could use the media manager to find and sort their clips. This would be where you are looking for shots... favorite shots etc... which you then move into a bin and organize them.

Does the media manager at all respect the saved edit markers (takes) like a bin does?

Grazie wrote on 8/29/2005, 2:46 AM

"This would be where you are looking for shots... favorite shots etc... which you then move into a bin and organize them."

Or use TAGS! - Whole heap of options here! I suppose TAGS are the nearest you and I would call Bins? But still TAGS are Global .. Bins are Local to the Veg.

"Does the media manager at all respect the saved edit markers (takes) like a bin does?"

Please explain a bit fuller? From within MM I have opened a clip that DID have markers in it and I have seen them when I've placed the same event on the t/l? Is that what you mean?

As to AVID, I wouldn't know!

Grazie

Jackie_Chan_Fan wrote on 8/29/2005, 2:53 AM

When you trim a clip in the trimmer, if you have "auto-sae trimmer markers/regions" on, it will save your in and out points per clip.

I'm guessing that doesnt translate back to the media manager.

As for Tags. I've not at all begun to explore those yet :)

Jackie_Chan_Fan wrote on 8/29/2005, 3:01 AM

Also i noticed that in Project Media Bins, the thumbnail view is rather poor. It doesnt store the thumbnail, it has to load it everytime you scroll through the list :(

media manager is much better at caching all of those thumbnails, AND they are have that ability to display a certain frame as the thumbnail for a clip.

It seems like bins fall behind the media manager in this aspect. The bin's are at a severe disadvantage because of this. Hopefully it will improve.

Grazie wrote on 8/29/2005, 3:21 AM

I'm happy. - G

TimTyler wrote on 8/29/2005, 8:36 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony intends to dump bins in favor of the MM, but since this this initial version on MM has been problematic for many people, who knows.

It appears that Sony positioned MM as a next generation bins solution, since the bins technology in Vegas is limited, but I wonder if they just shouldn't dump MM and bins and find a third, even better solution.

I think the next version of Windows will have better media management built in, so maybe Sony should just let us associate a folder (on any disk) with a project and then open that folder whenever the project is loaded.

TimTyler wrote on 8/29/2005, 4:31 PM

Told ya so:

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Jackie_Chan_Fan wrote on 8/29/2005, 6:21 PM

WINFS has been kind of delayed has it not? Infact even pulled from release of LongHorn.

I think it would be best for Vegas to have its own unique bin system/search capability etc. It would be more stable and better integrated. I do not like how the MM crashes so frequently. It crashes when adding a clip to the time line (from a BIN even)