Please, no metronome! None of my tape decks had this feature and I really
don't see the need here. This function is handled quite well by just about any
MIDI sequencer you can find. I prefer to keep the MIDI sequencing operations
separate from the audio recording operation. Thanks!

Brian Woodard,
Toler Productions

Jeff Coleman wrote:
>>I've been using Cakewalk, but only to record audio. I have
>>no experience with MIDI. I absolutely LOVE the Vegas
>>interface, it's very intuitive, using all the Windows
>>conventions and it's just generally a smooth joy to
>>operate. It makes it really difficult to go back to
>>Cakewalk, but the only thing I seem to be missing is a
>>metronome. Does Vegas have a metronome?
>> It occurs to me now that with the tempo set, a sound
>>could be placed in an audio track at the every beat, but
>>it'd be nice if there was a metronome function. Perhaps
>>I'm just missing something... Thanks!
>>
>>Jeff Coleman
>>charm is real, progress is power!
>>www.panic-attack.org

brian, what if you could simply turn it off in "preferences?"


Brian Woodard wrote:
>>Please, no metronome! None of my tape decks had this feature and I really
>>don't see the need here. This function is handled quite well by just about
any
>>MIDI sequencer you can find. I prefer to keep the MIDI sequencing operations
>>separate from the audio recording operation. Thanks!
>>
>>Brian Woodard,
>>Toler Productions
>>
>>Jeff Coleman wrote:
>>>>I've been using Cakewalk, but only to record audio. I have
>>>>no experience with MIDI. I absolutely LOVE the Vegas
>>>>interface, it's very intuitive, using all the Windows
>>>>conventions and it's just generally a smooth joy to
>>>>operate. It makes it really difficult to go back to
>>>>Cakewalk, but the only thing I seem to be missing is a
>>>>metronome. Does Vegas have a metronome?
>>>> It occurs to me now that with the tempo set, a sound
>>>>could be placed in an audio track at the every beat, but
>>>>it'd be nice if there was a metronome function. Perhaps
>>>>I'm just missing something... Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>Jeff Coleman
>>>>charm is real, progress is power!
>>>>www.panic-attack.org

Did your tape decks allow you to cut a section of audio, shift them forward or
backwards, copy them multiple times, by touching a couple of buttons. I don't
know anything about any of the "MIDI sequencers" that are out there, but I know
it'd come in real handy for those of us who want to record audio and maybe
don't have the greatest rhythm in the world. Like the other poster said, if it
could be turned off in the Preferences, you'd never notice it so you'd be
happy, I'd be using it so I'd be happy, and we'd all be happy. Wouldn't that
be great?

What I have found is that it's a snap to simply paste in a drum tick at each
beat, and copy the measure as many times as necessary. What I'm wondering now
is, is there any way to Quantize them all to different starting points if I
change the tempo? I don't know if this is getting too much into the MIDI realm
or not, but I'm curious.

Brian Woodard wrote:
>>Please, no metronome! None of my tape decks had this feature and I really
>>don't see the need here. This function is handled quite well by just about
any
>>MIDI sequencer you can find. I prefer to keep the MIDI sequencing operations
>>separate from the audio recording operation. Thanks!
>>
>>Brian Woodard,
>>Toler Productions

Jeff Coleman
charm is real, progress is power!
www.panic-attack.org

Tom,

This, of course, is the obvious solution. My fear here is that adding MIDI
sequencer features to Vegas will detract from the well-focused design and
ultimately create another overloaded do-it-all package that is more frustrating
than usable.

Applications should have minimal or no "preferences" settings. Having copious
amounts of customization in an application invites tinkering that burdens the
support of the product. In addition, if you need to use another person's rig,
lots of customization makes it like trying to figure out a whole new
application.

Tom Richards wrote:
>>brian, what if you could simply turn it off in "preferences?"

Jeff,

Of course DAWs are easier to use than tape decks - that's why we use them.
(See my prior reply to Tom regarding "preferences").

To do what you're talking about would be much easier with a synchronized MIDI
sequencer driving a drum module to generate the ticks at whatever interval you
need at each step.

What's really needed here is ruler option. Most DAWs allow the display of a
ruler next to the waveform that can be calibrated in samples, feet & frames, or
SMPTE code. The addition of a measure/beat/tick ruler with settable tempo and
time signatures and an adjustable origin would be far faster, more flexible,
and more appropriate, than a static metronome track.

Jeff Coleman wrote:
>>
>>Did your tape decks allow you to cut a section of audio, shift them forward
or
>>backwards, copy them multiple times, by touching a couple of buttons. I
don't
>>know anything about any of the "MIDI sequencers" that are out there, but I
know
>>it'd come in real handy for those of us who want to record audio and maybe
>>don't have the greatest rhythm in the world. Like the other poster said, if
it
>>could be turned off in the Preferences, you'd never notice it so you'd be
>>happy, I'd be using it so I'd be happy, and we'd all be happy. Wouldn't that
>>be great?
>>
>>What I have found is that it's a snap to simply paste in a drum tick at each
>>beat, and copy the measure as many times as necessary. What I'm wondering
now
>>is, is there any way to Quantize them all to different starting points if I
>>change the tempo? I don't know if this is getting too much into the MIDI
realm
>>or not, but I'm curious.

Not sure if you are aware of this, but our ruler can be set to just about any
format. You can also set the tempo and meter for a project. You can also set
the ruler offset. (Which is also the sync offset for generation and chase.)

You can do this through the project properties or you can change the ruler by
right clicking on the either time display and selecting the format you want.

Peter


Brian Woodard wrote:
>>Jeff,
>>
>>Of course DAWs are easier to use than tape decks - that's why we use them.
>>(See my prior reply to Tom regarding "preferences").
>>
>>To do what you're talking about would be much easier with a synchronized MIDI
>>sequencer driving a drum module to generate the ticks at whatever interval
you
>>need at each step.
>>
>>What's really needed here is ruler option. Most DAWs allow the display of a
>>ruler next to the waveform that can be calibrated in samples, feet & frames,
or
>>SMPTE code. The addition of a measure/beat/tick ruler with settable tempo
and
>>time signatures and an adjustable origin would be far faster, more flexible,
>>and more appropriate, than a static metronome track.
>>
>>Jeff Coleman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Did your tape decks allow you to cut a section of audio, shift them forward
>>or
>>>>backwards, copy them multiple times, by touching a couple of buttons. I
>>don't
>>>>know anything about any of the "MIDI sequencers" that are out there, but I
>>know
>>>>it'd come in real handy for those of us who want to record audio and maybe
>>>>don't have the greatest rhythm in the world. Like the other poster said,
if
>>it
>>>>could be turned off in the Preferences, you'd never notice it so you'd be
>>>>happy, I'd be using it so I'd be happy, and we'd all be happy. Wouldn't
that
>>>>be great?
>>>>
>>>>What I have found is that it's a snap to simply paste in a drum tick at
each
>>>>beat, and copy the measure as many times as necessary. What I'm wondering
>>now
>>>>is, is there any way to Quantize them all to different starting points if I
>>>>change the tempo? I don't know if this is getting too much into the MIDI
>>realm
>>>>or not, but I'm curious.
>>

As Peter replied to you, Vegas has the ruler options, but personally I find it
a bit tricky to keep time when I'm playing by watching a ruler go by on the
screen. Maybe it's just me, but hearing a tick or a click helps me out a bit.

I'm sure you're right, and that drum module/MIDI system would work for what I'm
talking about, but I don't know anything about MIDI and while I'd like to learn
it at some point, I don't want to have to get several other packages of
software just to match up my playing to the tempo that I set in Vegas...

And I wasn't aware that, as you put it, "Applications should have minimal or
no 'preferences' settings," since I personally prefer applications to have a
lot of customization. What you're suggesting is to limit the user's options,
and I'm in favor of expanding the user's options. I like programs where
everything is customizable, from toolbars to menus to keyboard shortcuts to the
default features... It hadn't ever occurred to me that some people would prefer
not having a choice.

Brian Woodard wrote:
>>Jeff,
>>
>>Of course DAWs are easier to use than tape decks - that's why we use them.
>>(See my prior reply to Tom regarding "preferences").
>>
>>To do what you're talking about would be much easier with a synchronized MIDI
>>sequencer driving a drum module to generate the ticks at whatever interval
you
>>need at each step.
>>
>>What's really needed here is ruler option. Most DAWs allow the display of a
>>ruler next to the waveform that can be calibrated in samples, feet & frames,
or
>>SMPTE code. The addition of a measure/beat/tick ruler with settable tempo
and
>>time signatures and an adjustable origin would be far faster, more flexible,
>>and more appropriate, than a static metronome track.

Jeff Coleman
charm is real, progress is power!
www.panic-attack.org

Peter,

Thanks! I had just discovered this feature shortly after posting my message.
You guys really are on top of this!

Brian

Peter Haller wrote:
>>Not sure if you are aware of this, but our ruler can be set to just about any
>>format. You can also set the tempo and meter for a project. You can also set
>>the ruler offset. (Which is also the sync offset for generation and chase.)
>>
>>You can do this through the project properties or you can change the ruler by
>>right clicking on the either time display and selecting the format you want.
>>
>>Peter

Jeff,

I'm sorry. From your original description it sounded like what you wanted to
do was use a metronome track as a guide for pasting in sounds on the beat.

I agree, orchestras do perform better with a conductor! After hearing Peter's
opinion on MIDI, I'm not so paranoid about a metronome feature leading to a
full-blown MIDI smorgasbord (the only point I was trying to make)...

Vegas seems to have plenty of customization without altering the fundamental
user interface to the point of being baffling to someone else accustomed to
their own settings. Choice is important but you can have too much of a good
thing.

Until SF decides on the metronome, you could probably find a shareware or even
a freebie sequencer program that could lock to the MTC from Vegas and produce a
metronome with the soundcard's synth chip. Figuring out how to set this up is
quite a bit less daunting than doing a full MIDI session.

I would be glad to offer further assistance in getting this going.

Brian

Jeff Coleman wrote:
>>
>>
>>As Peter replied to you, Vegas has the ruler options, but personally I find
it
>>a bit tricky to keep time when I'm playing by watching a ruler go by on the
>>screen. Maybe it's just me, but hearing a tick or a click helps me out a
bit.
>>
>>I'm sure you're right, and that drum module/MIDI system would work for what
I'm
>>talking about, but I don't know anything about MIDI and while I'd like to
learn
>>it at some point, I don't want to have to get several other packages of
>>software just to match up my playing to the tempo that I set in Vegas...
>>
>>And I wasn't aware that, as you put it, "Applications should have minimal or
>>no 'preferences' settings," since I personally prefer applications to have a
>>lot of customization. What you're suggesting is to limit the user's options,
>>and I'm in favor of expanding the user's options. I like programs where
>>everything is customizable, from toolbars to menus to keyboard shortcuts to
the
>>default features... It hadn't ever occurred to me that some people would
prefer
>>not having a choice.