Metronome : am I missing the point ?

sirbellog wrote on 6/1/2002, 3:16 AM
I'm new to Vegas, and maybe that's a lack of knowledge :
I found out that there is a metronome in Vegas, and so I said to myself, "great, with that I can get prepared to record small musical phrases or whatever else within Vegas directly !".
But in fact I did not find anything like a pre-count setup which gives you a tempo, "1, 2, 3, 4"... BEFORE starting recording.
Apparently, this metronome works only DURING the take... so I don't really see any real easy use for a metronome which gives you the tempo AFTER having actually launched the recording.
And it surprises me from Sonic F, which is much into music software !
Any clue ?
Thanks.

Comments

stakeoutstudios wrote on 6/1/2002, 6:18 AM
You don't really need a precount. Go to project properties, change the time format to beats and bars and there you have it. all the snapping will be to beats and bars. Press record, listen for four or eight or whatever, stop playing. if you want to move the phrase to recorded a bar back, you can do that easily because of the snapping.

In Vegas 3.0 however, make sure you swith off the 'snap to frames' option, as this really screws things up.
ScoriaMM wrote on 6/1/2002, 12:55 PM
This is exactly how I use it too... in a fixed tempo song. I really really wish that you could drop a "tempo marker" like you can in Acid to change the speed of the song. I'd then be able to map out my songs to tempo's as well, and record right through. Maybe in a future revision I hope.

-Matt
PipelineAudio wrote on 6/2/2002, 12:48 AM
Tempo changes would be very very very handy
Rednroll wrote on 6/2/2002, 2:48 AM
If you already have acid and can then do this in Acid, then why do you need to be able to do this same activity in Vegas? Acid is the Pre-production music tool, where Vegas is more of a final mix and editing tool. I have had no problems doing changed tempo's in acid then exporting each track to a wave file and opening it in Vegas to edit and mix, or to record vocals with the pre-production tracks from Acid. Isn't this easier to do in Acid already? I guess I just don't understand why it's so usefull if you already have a program like acid that does the exact same thing you're asking for, plus it even has midi tracks. A better suggestion would be to do a "Render As" Vegas Project option in Acid. Why not ask for a tempo change in Sound Forge next, so you can do tempo changes in mastering also? I guess these suggestions always bring me back to my old question of "why do you buy a screw driver and then ask why you can't hammer in nails with it effectively, when you already know that a hammer would work much better?" I think sonic foundry has a nice set of tools with Sound Forge, Vegas, and Acid which work independantly of each other, but still work well together. Eccentially, there's your hammer, screw driver, and saw. Now use each tool what it's meant for and build your house...or song in the case of music. If you want an all in one tool that does everything, but is not exceptionally good in anything, then buy a program like Cubase or Cakewalk. I prefer my exceptionally good programs seperated and use each for it's intented use. If you really need to have vegas change tempo's while it's recording then why don't you have Vegas chase to an external sequencer program....or acid which have the ability to do tempo changes and count off measures?
stakeoutstudios wrote on 6/2/2002, 9:18 AM
erm yeah.

Anyhow. I get a lot of bands in (especially punk) where they want deliberate speed changes. It would be nice to be able to set these up in the metronome while putting the guide track together for the drummer to play to!

Also, sometimes people want to speed up or slow down over time in a song, again, it'd b nice to build this into a metronome while making the guide track.

Jason
ScoriaMM wrote on 6/2/2002, 10:08 AM
Exactly. There have been so many times I wanted a band to record to a click track, just to have the option of replacing that 2nd verse with the first one because someone screwed up just a tad. But 9 times out of 10, there is at least one tempo change in the song, and out goes that idea. Its a handy feature, why limit it to only Acid?

-Matt
PipelineAudio wrote on 6/2/2002, 12:51 PM
yeah why the limits?
why is rednroll so pro limits?
I bet if someone else had asked he never would have said anything....go back to lurking, troll
Rednroll wrote on 6/2/2002, 9:40 PM
Yeah, start the name calling again Pipeline. Show your intelligence some more. I guess if I needed tempo changes with a click track, then I guess I'm a good enough engineer to figure out how to record a click track previously to recording or as I mentioned use an external sequencer or Acid and sync it to Vegas like every other engineer who's done this before, knows how to. Once again you dazzle me with your incompetence. Why don't you come to my studio and work for me, I need someone with your intelligence level and skills to clean the toilets.
PipelineAudio wrote on 6/2/2002, 11:28 PM
Just because there is ONE way to do it doesnt mean its the only way. Once again it is you saying " my way or the highway " Multiple tempos in a project would allow us other things not mentioned, like being able to line up to grids during different tempo areas of the song.

again, very handy. wont hurt anyone.... its a REAL good thing you werent around when ancient man was inventing the wheel.
stakeoutstudios wrote on 6/3/2002, 5:28 AM
we no need round square good. I can use my yak to carry vegetables.