CTRL-Z, which version of SCLive are you referring to? If it's a new beta, is it publically accessible? I've been a long-time fan of it but I hadn't seen any updates for months.

-Doug

The only answerto lining up the audio is the way we still do it in flim and Jam synced multicamera video. The clap board is a great tool.

I currently use Cinestream for most of my editing and it can capture either Stereo 1 or Stereo 2. (Note, it can't do both at once but it CAN do either) Premiere and FCP can also capture either. SCLive can also capture either channel using the beta version located at http://www.scenalyzer.com/sclive20011115.zip but I have yet to find a way to get SCLive to let me capture a section using Stereo 1, the next section on Stereo 2, and then the next section back to Stereo 1 without a LOT of manual intervention. (I have not noticed the "popping" noise you refer to.)

I am just saying that for Vegas Video to be fully competitive, it also needs to be able to capture Stereo 2 over the firewire - just like the NLE's it is competing against. It doesn't have to capture both Stereo 1 and Stereo 2 at the same time but it DOES need to be able to capture Stereo 2. In fact, batch entries should have an indication for each segment which stereo track to capture. And, yes, for me this is a make or break issue! There is absolutely no reason why one should have to capture through a soundcard when the firewire connection is already available and connected.

No way. Why stop there? If you're going to capture DV you should do it right. Not either but both. Our DVStorm has no trouble doing that.

I still don't see why our shooters need 4 channels but the only thing worse than using them would be for them to switch from one to the other constantly and expect me to have to set up batch captures that switch from one to the other. Besides, usually they have all 4 channels going at once anyway.

>Premiere and FCP can also capture either

Really? Where's the option in Premiere 6?

Okay, it appears the extra channel options are part of the card/software combination of some cards. But, the bottom line is that EditDV/Cinestream has been able to do this with ease for over two years and Scenalyzer can also do it - just not quite as nicely as Cinestream. It can't be that difficult a task to add the option of choosing which stereo track to capture for each batch entry or straight capture.

Any comments from any Sonic employees on the feasibility of adding the ability to capture the second stereo track?

It's my understanding that the 1394 spec doesn't allow for both stereo 1 and 2 to be captured simultaneously. The reason DVStorm can do it is because it uses proprietary hardware. Since SF insists on being hardware agnostic, it's not likely we'll see the ability to capture both stereo 1 and 2 in one swoop, but there's no reason Vegas can't support the option to choose one or the other.

I asked about this option months ago on this forum and didn't receive any responses. Glad to see a thread about it. I use Canon XL1s cameras, and currently capture stereo 2 via my soundcard. It's satisfactory, but I know I'm losing fidelity and would much prefer a firewire option.

Any word SF? Am I correct about the 1394 specifications?

Luxo

Yes, that's all I'm asking for: the ability to capture EITHER stereo track. I don't need to capture BOTH at the same time - just the option to choose which one I need. We always record our wireless mics on Stereo 2 so that Stereo 1 can still be used for the on-camera mic. With Vegas, I currently have NO WAY to capture my wireless mics. We need the option to choose which stereo channel is desired.

I guess a workaround would be to go analog in to your soundcard. Set output on camera via menu.

Craig H.

>We always record our wireless mics on Stereo 2 so that Stereo 1 can still be used

Mix, mix, mix. Why leave it for post to mix this audio? Especially if there's a problem like a loose connector or interference. The shooters need good headphones and need to mix it all live to 1&2.

No argument with backup audio, but you can't record to the same miniDV and call it a backup. A good backup would be something like minidisc.

P.S. It's never been *my* understanding that the DV binary stream doesn't contain all the data available. If all 4 channels are there, then it's just a matter of decoding it properly. Our Storm doesn't get a different signal than the same machine via OHCI.

We don't want to mix live. Mixing live leaves too much room for error. I prefer the cameraperson to run the camera and only worry about framing and focusing. The sound gets mixed in post from the wireless system and two on-camera mics. Besides, you don't really know what kind of sound you will get from the various sources. Sometimes I take music from one of the on-camera mics. Sometimes it sounds better coming from the wireless. If I were to mix it live, I would not have as much flexibility in getting the RIGHT mix.

As stated before, I'm not asking the program to capture all 4 tracks at one time. I just want the option to be able to capture either (and, yes, I realize I may have to double capture some sections if I want the "other" track). I also don't want to capture the other tracks via a sound card. That just seems a little rediculous when the sound track is coming in over the firewire anyway.

Cinestream is a perfect example of how the stereo track options SHOULD work. Scenalyzer will also capture either stereo track but I can't selectively choose segments for each channel. For example, I will capture the on-camera mic until the bride & groom have entered, then I will capture the wireless mic for the bulk of the ceremony, and then switch back to the on-camera mic as the bridal party leaves. That is the reason why the stereo channel needs to be selectable on batch entries.