Missing Frames Upon Import

cmcdonald wrote on 1/4/2005, 6:31 PM
I am using Movie Studio to edit avi files of old homme movies and then burn DVDs with DVD Architect 2. The problem I am having is that when I import the avi file into Movie Studio I end up with missing frames that show up as black areas in the movie.

If I play the avi file in Windows Media Player, they play fine with no missing frames. But both a preview of the imported file and timeline version have missing frames.

Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening or how to correct it?

Chris

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gogiants wrote on 1/6/2005, 10:41 AM
I'd be curious to know how you got the original avi files. Did you do some sort of analog to digital capture?

If you render a small section out to a new avi file do the missing frames still show up?

Also, are they literally missing frames? Put another way, if you do a slice to get rid of the black areas and then put the clips together, does that fix it? (Not a great workaround, but worth a shot.)

Finally, are we talking about one continuous avi file that has black spots in it within Movie Studio, or did you place multiple AVI files on the timeline?

Sorry for questions instead of answers!
cmcdonald wrote on 1/6/2005, 1:15 PM
Don't feel bad about the questions, you raise some good points.

I am using a WorkPrinter-Jr (see www.moviestuff.tv for info) and CineCap software to do frame-by-frame capture of old 8mm movies. The output file is an avi file. This is brought into MS to edit. I do place multiple avi files onto the timeline to form one long movie but the blanks are within individual avi files. As a test, I took one raw avi file and played it using Windows Media Player. It was fine with no missing/black frames. However, once I used the Import Media option in MS, the file had the missing frames.

I will do some more playing with it and I have also posted the question to Sony Technical Support but I hoped that someone else might have a brilliant idea and hopefully a simple solution.
Steve Grisetti wrote on 1/6/2005, 1:30 PM
There's more than one kind of AVI codec, cmcdonald. And even more than one type of AVI!

Try opening the AVI in VirtualDub (a free download and a terrific tool) and then doing Save As to save it as a new AVI. Generally, no matter what you toss into VirtualDub, it outputs very compatible AVIs.

(Opening your file in VirtualDub will also give you the opportunity to see if those frames show up as missing. If they aren't missing in VirtualDub, you'll know it was just an incompatible file. If they do show up missing, you know it's a problem with the video file itself.)
cmcdonald wrote on 1/6/2005, 2:47 PM
Grisetti - Someone else also suggested I check out the file with Virtual Dub. I have never used it before but I have now downloaded it and will give it a try. I appreciate the help from everyone. I am definitely just in my infancy when it comes to this kind of stuff but it is quickly becoming an obsession.

Chris
IanG wrote on 1/7/2005, 12:48 AM
If you want more information about what's going on, try getting a copy of GSpot and running it against your avi. It will tell you what codec was used to produce the avi, whether it's installed on your pc and where you can get it if not.

Ian G.
cmcdonald wrote on 1/9/2005, 1:37 PM
OK. Here is a little more info on this very frustrating problem. I opened the file in Virtual Dub and one other program and moved through the file on a frame by frame basis. There arer no missing frames in the avi file. However, all it takes is to invoke the "Inserrt Media" command within Movie Studio and the frames go missing. The same frames go missing each time. Don't get me wrong, 99% of the file is absolutely fine but it is frustrating to suddenly have 1 to 5 seconds of black screen at various places within your movie. I have sent an email to Sony Tech Support but have not received a response yet.

Chris
gogiants wrote on 1/9/2005, 1:51 PM
As a bit of a goofy workaround, if you don't have too many of these types of clips, maybe you could use virtual dub or even Windows Movie Maker to generate a file of a different file format (say a high bit-rate .wmv) that you could then use to "patch up" the missing frames in Movie Studio. Do that once and then generate a new .avi source file that you could use for your editing. I know that a long side-street to take for something that should just work, but at least you could keep your project moving.

I'm assuming, of course, that you've already tried forcing VirtualDub to create a new .avi file.
cmcdonald wrote on 1/9/2005, 2:06 PM
Interesting. I haddn't thought about making a "patch" and inserting it in place of the missing frames. It obviously will be a bit of work but if all else fails I might give it a shot. Thanks

Chris
trock wrote on 1/9/2005, 8:26 PM
Are the frames still missing when you render from MS a section that contains missing frames?
cmcdonald wrote on 1/10/2005, 7:27 AM
The frames are missing as soon as you import the file into MS before any editing or rendering is performed. I may end up editing with another program and using DVDA to burn the DVDs.
IanG wrote on 1/10/2005, 12:15 PM
Did you try GSpot? What did it tell you about your codecs?

Ian G.