Mixdown of 8-channel live recording

AFSDMS wrote on 12/27/2000, 11:02 AM
I just finished a multi-track live recording using Vegas
Audio 2.0b and would like some suggestions before I proceed
to post-production. It is not that I haven’t figured out a
way to do it. I have and it seems to work fine. However, I
am just wondering if there might not be a better way to set
up the Vegas Audio project for the post-production work.
BTW, the full set of files is 6 gB.

I used Vegas Audio to record 8 separate tracks of a live
concert. My 8 microphones went through at Mackie 1604 VLZ
Pro, then into a Delta 1010 A/D converter. Each track was
set up as a single channel mono .WAV file in Vegas Audio.
(I don’t know if this was the way to proceed, instead of 4
stereo .WAV files, but it made some sense at the time. I
also chose 44.1 kHz, because there had been a glitch at 96
kHz, but I did opt for 24-bit instead of 16-bit.)

The total length of the recording is over 90 minutes, but I
did have enough of a break at times to stop/pause the
recording so the .WAV files were saved in case of a system
crash or power failure. There are about 5 ‘sets’ of the 8-
channel .WAV files that make up the project. Now comes post-
production mixdown.

I want to mix the 8 channels down to a 2-channel mix for a
CD. I created a new Vegas Audio project and brought all
the ‘sets’ of 8-channel files in. All the tracks are
assigned to the ‘A’ bus and I use the pan to control the
position. The part that seems to me that ‘there must be a
better way’ has to do with the long pauses between the
selections. Because the first set of .WAV files contains
five selections, I have been trimming the entire .WAV file
set, after first making it a group, by dragging in the ends
so only the desired selections remains. Then I control the
volume with a volume envelope and do a fade out at the end.
For the next selection I have to again drag in the same set
of .WAV files and using the same technique, make then into
a group and pull in the ends of the full .WAV file so only
the second selection is available. I then tweak the volume
and apply fades, then slide it over next to the first
selection. I have about 20 selections in this concert so
this is a lot of busy work. When it is all done, if I
continue this way, I plan on rendering it to a 2-channel
44.1 kHz 16 bit file.

Now, I am looking at an alternative where I would just work
on mixdown of one song at a time and render each one to a
44.1 kHz 16 bit file and then bring these into CD Architect.

I also have Sound Forge, and what I really want to be able
to do is pull all 8 channels into Sound Forge and then
highlight the region that is a particular selection and
save it to a new set of 8 files. I would then have 20-some
sets of 8 files which would be easier to pull into Vegas
Audio.

Another option is if I could get Vegas Audio 2.0 (actually
I have installed the 2.0b update) to work ‘destructively’
to trim out all the spaces between the selections. This
would make my files much smaller.

In any case, I would appreciate some alternative 'takes' on
this to help get me started in the right direction, or just
the thought that this is the only way to do it, so get to
it :-)

Wayne Munn
Wmunn@ferretresearch.com

Comments

SonyEPM wrote on 12/27/2000, 12:51 PM
"...if I could get Vegas Audio 2.0 (actually
I have installed the 2.0b update) to work ‘destructively’
to trim out all the spaces between the selections. This
would make my files much smaller"

Make a selection, then do a save-as .wav using multiple
stereo channels- this creates new files for each track in
the selection and gets rid of the unwanted material. I'd
suggest doing this with the fx "off" so you can tweak each
tune separately in its own project. Save out a a
single .wav when you are done with each tune, then use
those final .wav files for your CD mastering.

Wayne Munn wrote:
>>I just finished a multi-track live recording using Vegas
>>Audio 2.0b and would like some suggestions before I
proceed
>>to post-production. It is not that I haven’t figured out
a
>>way to do it. I have and it seems to work fine. However,
I
>>am just wondering if there might not be a better way to
set
>>up the Vegas Audio project for the post-production work.
>>BTW, the full set of files is 6 gB.
>>
>>I used Vegas Audio to record 8 separate tracks of a live
>>concert. My 8 microphones went through at Mackie 1604 VLZ
>>Pro, then into a Delta 1010 A/D converter. Each track was
>>set up as a single channel mono .WAV file in Vegas Audio.
>>(I don’t know if this was the way to proceed, instead of
4
>>stereo .WAV files, but it made some sense at the time. I
>>also chose 44.1 kHz, because there had been a glitch at
96
>>kHz, but I did opt for 24-bit instead of 16-bit.)
>>
>>The total length of the recording is over 90 minutes, but
I
>>did have enough of a break at times to stop/pause the
>>recording so the .WAV files were saved in case of a
system
>>crash or power failure. There are about 5 ‘sets’ of the 8-
>>channel .WAV files that make up the project. Now comes
post-
>>production mixdown.
>>
>>I want to mix the 8 channels down to a 2-channel mix for
a
>>CD. I created a new Vegas Audio project and brought all
>>the ‘sets’ of 8-channel files in. All the tracks are
>>assigned to the ‘A’ bus and I use the pan to control the
>>position. The part that seems to me that ‘there must be a
>>better way’ has to do with the long pauses between the
>>selections. Because the first set of .WAV files contains
>>five selections, I have been trimming the entire .WAV
file
>>set, after first making it a group, by dragging in the
ends
>>so only the desired selections remains. Then I control
the
>>volume with a volume envelope and do a fade out at the
end.
>>For the next selection I have to again drag in the same
set
>>of .WAV files and using the same technique, make then
into
>>a group and pull in the ends of the full .WAV file so
only
>>the second selection is available. I then tweak the
volume
>>and apply fades, then slide it over next to the first
>>selection. I have about 20 selections in this concert so
>>this is a lot of busy work. When it is all done, if I
>>continue this way, I plan on rendering it to a 2-channel
>>44.1 kHz 16 bit file.
>>
>>Now, I am looking at an alternative where I would just
work
>>on mixdown of one song at a time and render each one to a
>>44.1 kHz 16 bit file and then bring these into CD
Architect.
>>
>>I also have Sound Forge, and what I really want to be
able
>>to do is pull all 8 channels into Sound Forge and then
>>highlight the region that is a particular selection and
>>save it to a new set of 8 files. I would then have 20-
some
>>sets of 8 files which would be easier to pull into Vegas
>>Audio.
>>
>>Another option is if I could get Vegas Audio 2.0
(actually
>>I have installed the 2.0b update) to work ‘destructively’
>>to trim out all the spaces between the selections. This
>>would make my files much smaller.
>>
>>In any case, I would appreciate some alternative 'takes'
on
>>this to help get me started in the right direction, or
just
>>the thought that this is the only way to do it, so get to
>>it :-)
>>
>>Wayne Munn
>>Wmunn@ferretresearch.com
>>
>>
AFSDMS wrote on 12/28/2000, 8:10 PM
Thanks very much Dave! Sound like exactly what I needed. I
will remove all the envelopes, etc. I'll also check into
this since more specifically.

BTW, I really love how I can adjust the ends of the
horizontal scroll to change how much of the track is shown.
Looking forward to that being in the next version of Sound
Forge.

Wayne
Dave Hill wrote:
>>"...if I could get Vegas Audio 2.0 (actually
>>I have installed the 2.0b update) to work ‘destructively’
>>to trim out all the spaces between the selections. This
>>would make my files much smaller"
>>
>>Make a selection, then do a save-as .wav using multiple
>>stereo channels- this creates new files for each track in
>>the selection and gets rid of the unwanted material. I'd
>>suggest doing this with the fx "off" so you can tweak
each
>>tune separately in its own project. Save out a a
>>single .wav when you are done with each tune, then use
>>those final .wav files for your CD mastering.
>>
>>Wayne Munn wrote:
>>>>I just finished a multi-track live recording using
Vegas
>>>>Audio 2.0b and would like some suggestions before I
>>proceed
>>>>to post-production. It is not that I haven’t figured
out
>>a
>>>>way to do it. I have and it seems to work fine.
However,
>>I
>>>>am just wondering if there might not be a better way to
>>set
>>>>up the Vegas Audio project for the post-production
work.
>>>>BTW, the full set of files is 6 gB.
>>>>
>>>>I used Vegas Audio to record 8 separate tracks of a
live
>>>>concert. My 8 microphones went through at Mackie 1604
VLZ
>>>>Pro, then into a Delta 1010 A/D converter. Each track
was
>>>>set up as a single channel mono .WAV file in Vegas
Audio.
>>>>(I don’t know if this was the way to proceed, instead
of
>>4
>>>>stereo .WAV files, but it made some sense at the time.
I
>>>>also chose 44.1 kHz, because there had been a glitch at
>>96
>>>>kHz, but I did opt for 24-bit instead of 16-bit.)
>>>>
>>>>The total length of the recording is over 90 minutes,
but
>>I
>>>>did have enough of a break at times to stop/pause the
>>>>recording so the .WAV files were saved in case of a
>>system
>>>>crash or power failure. There are about 5 ‘sets’ of the
8-
>>>>channel .WAV files that make up the project. Now comes
>>post-
>>>>production mixdown.
>>>>
>>>>I want to mix the 8 channels down to a 2-channel mix
for
>>a
>>>>CD. I created a new Vegas Audio project and brought all
>>>>the ‘sets’ of 8-channel files in. All the tracks are
>>>>assigned to the ‘A’ bus and I use the pan to control
the
>>>>position. The part that seems to me that ‘there must be
a
>>>>better way’ has to do with the long pauses between the
>>>>selections. Because the first set of .WAV files
contains
>>>>five selections, I have been trimming the entire .WAV
>>file
>>>>set, after first making it a group, by dragging in the
>>ends
>>>>so only the desired selections remains. Then I control
>>the
>>>>volume with a volume envelope and do a fade out at the
>>end.
>>>>For the next selection I have to again drag in the same
>>set
>>>>of .WAV files and using the same technique, make then
>>into
>>>>a group and pull in the ends of the full .WAV file so
>>only
>>>>the second selection is available. I then tweak the
>>volume
>>>>and apply fades, then slide it over next to the first
>>>>selection. I have about 20 selections in this concert
so
>>>>this is a lot of busy work. When it is all done, if I
>>>>continue this way, I plan on rendering it to a 2-
channel
>>>>44.1 kHz 16 bit file.
>>>>
>>>>Now, I am looking at an alternative where I would just
>>work
>>>>on mixdown of one song at a time and render each one to
a
>>>>44.1 kHz 16 bit file and then bring these into CD
>>Architect.
>>>>
>>>>I also have Sound Forge, and what I really want to be
>>able
>>>>to do is pull all 8 channels into Sound Forge and then
>>>>highlight the region that is a particular selection and
>>>>save it to a new set of 8 files. I would then have 20-
>>some
>>>>sets of 8 files which would be easier to pull into
Vegas
>>>>Audio.
>>>>
>>>>Another option is if I could get Vegas Audio 2.0
>>(actually
>>>>I have installed the 2.0b update) to
work ‘destructively’
>>>>to trim out all the spaces between the selections. This
>>>>would make my files much smaller.
>>>>
>>>>In any case, I would appreciate some
alternative 'takes'
>>on
>>>>this to help get me started in the right direction, or
>>just
>>>>the thought that this is the only way to do it, so get
to
>>>>it :-)
>>>>
>>>>Wayne Munn
>>>>Wmunn@ferretresearch.com
>>>>
>>>>