Mixing Voice (Narration) with Music

CaptainCatholic wrote on 9/15/2014, 11:03 PM
Hello all!

I am currently experimenting with new ways to edit the audio of my videos. I've edited an online action/comedy film series for years, but the audio has never been that great, so I'm looking to expand my audio-editing abilities.

My biggest question is this: What's the best way to edit a video so that the dialogue (whatever the characters are saying) is loud enough to hear over top of the music, but the music is still loud enough to create suspense/emotion?

I'm very new to editing audio; I know next to nothing about compressors, equalizers, etc. In the past, I've just lowered the volume of the music in order to make sure you can hear what the characters are saying in my movies, but I feel as if this makes the music too low and takes away from the suspense/drama that's occurring in the scene. I'd like to learn more about alternatives to simply lowering the volume of the music. I found this video on YouTube about using an equalizer to make the music sound loud while still being able to hear the character dialogue:



However, is this standard practice, or do better methods exist? (I've tried this out - it works well sometimes, but other times it makes the music sound very strange).

If anyone would like to recommend any books, webinars, professional training, etc., I'd definitely be willing to check that out. I've been searching online for days, but can't find anything good!

Thanks so much for the help!
~ Tony

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ChristoC wrote on 9/16/2014, 12:52 AM
> [I]However, is this standard practice, or do better methods exist? (I've tried this out - it works well sometimes, but other times it makes the music sound very strange).[/I]

Something like it is fairly standard - the principles involved are brutally demonstrated in the video tutorial, but, as you noticed, the music sounded a little strange; in practice much less extreme EQ settings would be used, the Compressor set up properly (in the demonstration there was no actual gain-reduction caused by the compressor - it wasn't compressing!), and hopefully more detailed attention given to the actual mix.

Also some Automation may be in order, so that the EQ settings that gently or drastically change the sound of the music are only in force during the dialog or voice-over.
rraud wrote on 9/16/2014, 9:34 AM
Most pros primarily use a combination of envelopes (volume and otherwise), compression, peak limiting and EQ.
A recording studio 101 book or course could offer the fundamentals of EQ, compression and other technical basics. YouTube is loaded with audio 'tutorials' as well, however many are by folks who in fact don't know much.
musicvid10 wrote on 9/17/2014, 8:11 AM
I, like rraud, have had decades of experience mixing both live and recorded audio.
A great set of ears, college-level courses in acoustics and recording, great reference recordings and visual tools, and the patience to put down a project and listen to it again in a few days, are all things that will help.

But nothing can take the place of years of experience. Get busy, plan on making lots of mistakes, save all your trials, and post some samples for others to listen and react to.
CaptainCatholic wrote on 9/17/2014, 10:34 PM
Excellent, thanks so much for the information! I will test out some of the techniques you recommended. Thanks again!
CaptainCatholic wrote on 9/17/2014, 10:36 PM
rraud and musicvid, thank you so much once again for your advice!! I will definitely be sure to post some samples in the future!!

I am looking at purchasing a few books. Has anyone heard of the following books and would/wouldn't recommend them?

Audio Postproduction for Film and Video
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Postproduction-Video-After-Shoot/dp/0240809718/ref=pd_cp_b_3

Gardner's Guide to Audio Post Production
http://www.amazon.com/Gardners-Guide-Audio-Post-Production/dp/158965028X/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411009161&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=audio+editing+compression+EQ

Audio Post Production: For Film and Television
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Post-Production-Film-Television/dp/087639134X/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=03H0DA25FPXW42RMM034

Dialogue Editing for Motion Pictures: A Guide to the Invisible Art
http://www.amazon.com/Dialogue-Editing-Motion-Pictures-Invisible/dp/0415828171/ref=pd_sim_b_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=0830JQC159WYTJ6X4MSC

Practical Art of Motion Picture Sound
http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Art-Motion-Picture-Sound/dp/0240812409/ref=pd_sim_b_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=063DRZSCA5NTV4YZRD8V

They all look pretty good - I'm just looking for a book that will teach me the basics (and the some) about using EQ, compression, and other techniques to properly mix dialogue with music.

Thank you all so much again, I sincerely appreciate the help!
musicvid10 wrote on 9/18/2014, 8:56 AM
I'm sure they're all good, and as someone whose had college acoustics and theory, I firmly believe that most of the learning happens with your eyes closed.