. . and make sure in Video capture you have "Enable DV device control" deselected/swtiched off. I've captured many many hours of analogue and then edited in Vegas - works a treat!

Grazie

The DC10 does indeed capture upper field first (I still have mine) and you have to render your final MPG as upper field first too. I never used it with Vegas (I was using VideoFactory at the time) but I did use to use it with Ulead DVD Movie Factory and I remember setting up a rendering template that was upper field first for making SVCD’s. The key is to keep the field order the same throughout the entire process which involves making some of you own rendering templates. You can also capture with Scenalizer (the free version) and avoid the Pinnacle software all together.

~jr

JohnnyRoy

I've just been to the Scenalyzer web site and apparantly it will only capture DV. I think mel58i needs analogue.

Alan

Alan,

Perhaps that’s true for Scenalizer Live but I thought the old standalone (free) version worked with the Pinnacle analog cards because Pinnacle use to direct customers to the scenalizer web site when their own buggy software wouldn’t work. Maybe that was only with the Pinnacle Deluxe card but it was definitely analog capture with the Pinnacle Deluxe card. That’s what I use to use to capture my analog footage before I got an ADS Tech A/V Link. Maybe the DC10 wasn’t supported (it was a long time ago) You could always download the free version and test it out with the DC10.

~jr.

Thanks for your suggestions.
I know I can use the xm2 as a a/d converter but I wanted to use the dc10 as a quick input device - it saves having to get out the xm2 (lazy I know).
The prob with my 8mm cam is that it's one of them that sometimes the field order is reversed at the stop/start transition, and the pinnacle capture filter checks for field order correctness (can see it drop the odd frame in the capture window as it compensates).
I suspect that this will get through a xm2 link and cause the odd scenes to have the wrong field order.
Don't like the idea "JohnnyRoy" of have to make a mpeg using the non standard field order - what if you want to mix anal and dv?
I always use scene detection to split clips - pinnacle do this but they use the one file with scene table to show the the splits. Other folk create a seperate file for each clip (inc vegas). Resorting to using a good utility called "handy saw" to do this - but don't think it's worth the $64 for the full version.
Ulead pro can capture anal and do optical scene detection - but it's a swine to use - vegas is simple in comparison.
I know anal is a thing of the past, but I wish these facilities had been put in vegas (if only for me).
Problem with pinnacle (apart from the bugs, crashes, and slow rendering) is that it's so cleverley "designed" that it's hardware won't work with anything else!!

Mel.

AVI_IO is the capture utility that works with the DC10+. There are VirtualDub filters that will change/fix the field order any way you want it. Sometimes the DC10+ gets the field order wrong. The DC10+ is terrible video quality compared to the passthrough method.

Mel,

> ...what if you want to mix anal and dv?

Then I highly recommend that you buy an Analog->DV capture device like the ADS Tech A/V Link or Canopus ADVC-100. The DC10 is pre-DV hardware and will not produce compatible results. It captures at 640x480 not 720x480. So even if you get the field order right (which you won’t), mixing 640x480 MJPEG with 720x480 DV is not optimal.

If you don’t want to purchase new hardware, then try rendering your DC10 MJPEG footage as progressive scan DV AVI before you bring it into the project. You should be able to mix that with interlaced DV and Vegas should re-interlace the progressive DC10 footage when you render the final project. It’s worth a try.

~jr

JohnnyRoy

The website has a link to what it calls "the old version". This is free but I think it's only a trial version. It may not be the same as what you have used in the past but I downloaded it anyway and will give it a try when I get home tonight. (Asuming my good lady will let me switch the PC on).

I'll report back in the morning.

Alan

p.s. It's my birthday next month and I'm hoping to go digital then. If so I can wave bye bye to PITA Pinnacle forever.

I have an old DC10 card in mothballs and noted the other day on a site, that it captures in 4:2:2. Is it correct that Vegas 5 won't accept the Pinnacle MainConcept MJPEG files on its timeline? Tempting to try editing in a bigger color space, then rendering to DV or MPEG.

JohnnyRoy

I installed the old version of Scenalyzer last night but it doesn't appear to have a capture facility. I could import avi pre-captured with Pinnacle via DC10 but there are no settings for capturing either analogue or digital.

I think this must be a different version to the one you had. This is 3.52.

Alan

After months of messing about with similar problems with my DC10, the only way I could get anything approaching usable into Vegas was to export to DV from Studio, and then import into Vegas, but this took HOURS. I finally gave up with my DC10 altogether and got a Canopus ADVC-50 and life is SOOOOO much easier now

> it doesn't appear to have a capture facility

Alan,

I must have been using the Live version then. Did you download the demo of Scenalizer Live and try it? Did it recognize the DC10? I remember that the DC10 that I have does not have Windows XP drivers (so I can’t even install the card and test this for you). I was using it in Windows 98 back then. Something about VFW vs. DirectShow made it not work in XP. With Windows 98, every capture program I had worked with the DC10 (VideoFactory, a stop motion video program I use to use, etc.) It was just seen as a Windows capture device.

When XP came along, Pinnacle switched to something they called the Pinnacle AV card. I understand that those drivers did not show up in other programs as a capture device so perhaps this is why Scenalizer Live worked for me in Windows 98 and doesn’t work in XP. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help. I guess you just need to use the Pinnacle Studio program to capture with that card.

~jr

Johnny

<Did you download the demo of Scenalizer Live and try it>

Only this morning but I'll try it tonight. Unfortunately I am on XP at home so it may not work anyway.

Never mind. Less than 3 weeks to go before I get to treat myself.

Alan

Looks as though I'm going to have to hook up my xm2 to input anal into vegas.
I agree with all that has been said about pinnacle and all that c**p - what a waste of space their studio is!!
Things seemed to be ok on W98, their codecs were available to any application - what a different story it is with XP, only pinnacle s/w will see the dc10+ hardware!

Ok so I've got the anal stuff into vegas as one file. Anyone suggest a optical scene splitter that works (free of course - why should you pay)?
Think the free scene analyzer will do it on dv only. Have got a demo of "handy saw" which is good for all formats, but at $64 for the unlock file is a bit much to pay (anyone got the unlock file??).

Thanks - Mel.