multi-track recording

cyclone wrote on 2/18/2004, 4:17 PM
hi
I am trying to record multitrack audio,
e.g: track 1 = music wav file.
tracks 2,3,4,5 etc = independant vocal tracks.
I need to be able to monitor pre-recorded tracks whilst recording new ones, so I have enabled play(listen) whilst record.
I am having trouble trying to record a new track without other tracks merging their signal with the new track. I have read the manual, which states that this software is a multi-tracker and that you can do what i need to, but it looks like im missing something.
I hope that its not a hardware problem and just something that im not doing correctly.
Hardware set-up: P4- 1.7g cel - 128mb - 20ghd -
soundcard: Hercules GameTheatre 7.1

if anyone knows what im doing wrong, a reply would be much appreciated.
thanx in advance........

Comments

Cold wrote on 2/18/2004, 4:57 PM
Check the software mixer for the soundcard.
Steve S.
MJhig wrote on 2/18/2004, 5:00 PM
In the Windows or your soundcard's Mixer "Recording" applet, select "Line In" and NOT "Mixed, What U Hear, or Stereo Out".

MJ
cyclone wrote on 2/22/2004, 8:01 PM
Thanx 4 the replies guys, but yeah, i have checked the settings for the s/card and it is setup for line-in and not mixed etc. me thinx i might have 2 get a new s/card. :-(

cheers Paul
cosmo wrote on 2/22/2004, 9:15 PM
yeah you do, I've been there before with the bad sound cards. Vegas doesn't play nice with bad cards. Good news is that if you don't want to drop a fortune on a sound card, you can get an M-audio delta 410 for $99 at musiciansfriend.com - I think they still have some. Nice card, no problems. If not that one look at the Turtle Creek Santa Cruz I think it's called. Basically, you need an ASIO compliant sound card, and all of your problems will go away!

Good luck.
Rednroll wrote on 2/23/2004, 8:48 AM
"Basically, you need an ASIO compliant sound card, and all of your problems will go away!"

This problem has nothing to do with ASIO.
cosmo wrote on 2/23/2004, 9:35 AM
Indeed this specific problem doesn't have anything to do with ASIO, but will his problems not go away if he buys an ASIO soundcard or is that bad advice? All I know is that he needs a new card and an ASIO compliant card would be a good idea.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, typical for you man. I've seen your posts. I think you're more interested in proving you know more than everyone else in here. Try being helpful instead of being a d*ck.
ibliss wrote on 2/23/2004, 10:39 AM
There was nothing wrong with Reds post here - I think you've over-reacted Cosmo.

The information red dishes out is usually comprehensive and (AFAIK) accurate.

Spreading FUD isn't that helpful - this problem may be to do with the soundcard in question, but ASIO has nothing to do with it, why complicate the matter?

For what it's worth it's now possible to ASIO-ify most soundcards via a free 3rd party audio driver found here:
asio2ks
and
ASIO4ALL

Useful for better performance for built in audio, if nothing else.

Chill out people please!
ibliss wrote on 2/23/2004, 10:53 AM
Cyclone could you give us more detail on the settings of your sound card and the method/steps you are using when trying to overdub.
Rednroll wrote on 2/23/2004, 1:18 PM
"Try being helpful instead of being a d*ck."

I was being helpful. The problem might actually be with their monitoring setup, using other external hardware with possible feedback situations. They didn't detail that information, therefore I couldn't be more helpful in solving the problem. Your information was bogus and misleading. They may have taken your advice, went out spent the cash and still had the same problem. So they just wasted their money, because you told them to get an ASIO compliant sound card when ASIO has nothing to do with it as I pointed out. I think that's pretty helpful, and what may seem obvious to you may not be obvious to someone else who isn't familiar with ASIO. Technically speaking ASIO could be worse for a feedback situation, because there's lower latency between the input and output, therefore the audio will be in phase more, causing more feedback. So again, your information is just wrong and unhelpful. Feedback problems are pretty obvious for me to figure out, given enough information of what sound card, what mixer settings, what external hardware is connected to the inputs/outputs and what type of monitoring you're using in Vegas. It also may be due to the sound card having bad crosstalk specifications. I didn't think I was being a "d*ck" at all, but you've pretty obviously shown who the real Richard Head is in this discussion.

"but will his problems not go away if he buys an ASIO soundcard or is that bad advice?"

Yes, that is BAD advice. Next time you want to step up to the plate and take a swing at me, you better bring a bigger bat because you're playing in the major leagues now buddy.
cosmo wrote on 2/23/2004, 2:19 PM
Blah blah blah blah blah. Be nice dude, just sharing my experience. I had the card he had with the problems he had and I shared my solution. I think the problem can be fixed with a better card. Sorry for stepping on your toes. Let me crawl into a hole and never comment on pro audio again.

Belittle, belittle, that should be your handle rednroll. Stop belittling and fighting with people. It isn't nice!
Rednroll wrote on 2/23/2004, 4:10 PM
"Stop belittling and fighting with people. It isn't nice"

Hmmmm....seems like you're the one starting the fight and trying to belittling me. So you expect to come in throwing mud and not expect to get a little back in your face? LOL!!! what a p*ssy you are.
cosmo wrote on 2/23/2004, 5:36 PM
weeeeeell, again you show your class! The obsurdity of this conversation is amazing, but since this seems to be your thing I'll play along.

If you think I'm starting a fight with you and belittling you, you need to re-read.
1. I gave my opinion as to a possible solution.
2. You said I was wrong(not entirely mind you).
3. I replied that it wasn't all wrong and recommended you be a little nicer.
3. You said I give bad advice and I don't know enough to converse with you.
4. I reiterated that I thought you weren't playing very nice.
5. You called me a p*ssy and said I'm starting fights and belittling you.

I'm not starting fights dude...I'm trying to get out of this as smoothly as possible but you won't allow it. You finish every statement calling me names and instigating. How old are you anyways?

All one has to do is click on your name to see a list of your posts - many, many, many helpful posts mind you - lots of knowledge you have to share. But at the same time - many, many message come up "deleted by forum host" and that's kinda sad cause here you are with lots to share and yet you start fights with everyone!!!

It ain't me...it's you. Maybe you should try an antidepressant or something...calm youself down.
Rednroll wrote on 2/24/2004, 6:48 AM
I said:
"This problem has nothing to do with ASIO."



You said:
"Indeed this specific problem doesn't have anything to do with ASIO, but will his problems not go away if he buys an ASIO soundcard or is that bad advice? All I know is that he needs a new card and an ASIO compliant card would be a good idea.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, typical for you man. I've seen your posts. I think you're more interested in proving you know more than everyone else in here. Try being helpful instead of being a d*ck."

Please point out as to where I started this argument or the name calling? You'll see a common thread in my discussions, where others get upset because I disagreed with their posts and I back that up with informative information. Obviously some people take offense to that and start to sling mud. As I said, if you start the mud throwing, you can expect to get a little thrown back at you. "Lex Talionas"

Iblisss said:
"Spreading FUD isn't that helpful - this problem may be to do with the soundcard in question, but ASIO has nothing to do with it, why complicate the matter?"

Where's your name calling for ibliss now? Must have something personal against me huh?

Ibliss, has the exact same perspective as me in that misleading information is more problematic than no information at all. I just tried to clarify that ASIO was not the cause, to keep someone from going down the wrong path. I'm sorry you took offense to that. If the problem is truly the sound card than this has to do with "crosstalk" problems within the card. An ASIO compliant card can have crosstalk problems also. The other fact is that you never said in your original reply that you had this same card, and experienced the same problem. So maybe you made that up for my benefit, but it sure seems that would have been more helpful than saying to get an ASIO compliant card, when ASIO has nothing to do with crosstalk problems.

Quit, while you still have some dignity. Even other users pointed out your irrational reply.
cosmo wrote on 2/24/2004, 10:19 AM
WTF is your problem man? Why would I make sh*t up for YOUR benefit? I HAD HIS CARD, I HAD HIS PROBLEM, I SHARED MY SOLUTION. You didn't share a d@mn thing man. You just said it isn't an ASIO issue(no advice for him either). I know that. But since he has a card that I KNOW caused me lots of trouble, advising him to ditch it is in my opinion NOT bad advice.

You gotta grow up man. Go find something else to do with your life than this. I can't imagine a bigger waste of anyone's time. Did ibliss take a stab at me? Is that what FUD is?? Who cares! I take offense with YOU because you are a jerk to MANY, many people in this forum.

Let me say that one more time in case you didn't get it:
I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE INSECURITIES FIND THEIR WAY TO ME!!!!!!!!!

And, to make you feel better, you are by far the smartest @$$ hole I've ever had the displeasure of doing whatever the f*ck this is with. Really - I worship YOU REDNROLL!!!! You are awesome! I'm sorry I'm so stupid, all of the songs I've recorded must just be figments of my imagination cause I have NO idea what I'm doing. Wow.

Thanks again for the delightful banter you ignoramous(see that - I can name call too!!!). Now PLEEEEASE go find something better to do with your time.
Rednroll wrote on 2/24/2004, 1:03 PM
LOL!!!! Responses below:

"1. I gave my opinion as to a possible solution."
And I didn't criticize your opinion, I just clarified that it wasn't due to ASIO. Sorry, in my "opinion" that's helpful, sorry you didn't see that.

"2. You said I was wrong(not entirely mind you)."
I Said you where wrong about ASIO being the problem...nothing more.

"3. I replied that it wasn't all wrong and recommended you be a little nicer.
I said: "This problem has nothing to do with ASIO."
Sorry, not sure how much nicer I could be in this one line statement that I would be raked over the coals and be called a "d*ck" for that. And I never said you where entirely wrong.

"3. You said I give bad advice and I don't know enough to converse with you."
I never said that, please point out the lines where I said that? I said your information may be misleading. I think you're reading a lot of this in for yourself. Please lighten up, and reread from the top and don't add in all the inbetween stuff that you have. (BTW "4." follows "3.")

"4. I reiterated that I thought you weren't playing very nice."
Silly me. Sorry, I get a little defensive when someone attacks me for no reason. That's pretty much human nature, unless you're of the masochistic type where you enjoy to be called names for no reason.

"5. You called me a p*ssy and said I'm starting fights and belittling you."
And please point out where I'm wrong when you post some lines like this for no reason and then I go into deeper detail and explain why your information may be wrong and misleading.

"I think you're more interested in proving you know more than everyone else in here. Try being helpful instead of being a d*ck."
You got all that out of this statement? "This problem has nothing to do with ASIO."

I'm sure there's quite a few users in these forums that have been helped by the information I have provided. Your opinion of how I present that information is very narrow minded in that you may have missed other posts to get the full picture. Therefore, you've formed your opinion of me based off of a very limited view screening. That's ok with me, it's "your opinion", nothing more and I'm not going to criticize it, just like I didn't criticize your original opinion information. For everyone of you with that opinion, there's probably 10 others that will disagree with you. I'll take those odds, I'm not trying to win a popularity contest or run for political office. As a reference, use the search engine in these forums and do a search in "title only" for "rednroll". You'll see a total of 102 topics with my username in it, where users have specifically asked for my advice. The funny thing is I do the same search on the word "cosmo" and get this result: "The search returned no results". So for someone who claims to offer helpful advice and comes out criticizing mine, it doesn't look like yours is very much desired.

cosmo wrote on 2/24/2004, 4:28 PM
You're having too much fun with this dude. I never claimed to offer helpful advice, nope - that's you. I only claimed that I had the same problem and offered my solution.

Your original reply may not have been overtly rude, but I've read a lot of your posts over time and you do this to lots of people. You pull a quote from my post and then shoot it down with no explanation of what you're talking about. That's rude - not really to me, but really to the guy needing help. Had that response come from anyone but you it probably wouldn't have even registered with me. But since I've read so many posts from you being rude to so many people I must have taken it wrong. And it doesn't bother me a bit.

So go ahead and copy a bunch of lines out of this post - or I could just start emailing them to you ahead of time to save you a little effort...and tell me some more how stupid and rude I am. Just lovely. You are the god of this forum, proven and revered!! Relax - no one wants to take your supreme status away!

Let us all worship rednroll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rednroll wrote on 2/24/2004, 9:59 PM
"And it doesn't bother me a bit."

And you've certainly shown that throughout this whole thread......ahem<cough> .

cosmo wrote on 2/25/2004, 7:43 AM
Cry me a river. Are you done yet or would you like to keep going? Can we just agree to disagree like adults and move on from here? This is so lame.
cyclone wrote on 2/25/2004, 3:15 PM
Thanx to everybody for their replies.
I am new to this forum and was virtually pulling my hair out with frustration over my problem. After being pointed in the right direction by a couple of the replied posts, I have sorted the problem out. So a big thank you from me.

If anyone has the same problem as I had, I will be happy to either email or post them privately the solution, only because I dont wish to post the solution that might cause further conflict in who's right or wrong.
The replies that I have read, are the opinions of individuals and it is up to me to take everything as a broad spectrum of knowledge and experience by fellow users, but ultimately I will take everything as that, just an opinion.

I am really sorry that my problem/question has caused a fight between you guys Cosmo & Rednroll.

But, again, I thank everyone for their opinions which gave me the right path to solving my problem.

take care Paul
MJhig wrote on 2/25/2004, 3:42 PM
Well now that's not fair to the essence of a forum. The idea of a forum is to provide "publicly" questions and solutions. You should disregard the extraneous banter within the thread and certainly if this forum helped you solve the problem, you owe the forum the answer for the future.

Who's to know one's email address will be valid in a year or that the OP will even be living still as an extreme but possible example to make the point.

MJ
cosmo wrote on 2/25/2004, 3:44 PM
good move cyclone! glad you fixed your problem. don't feel bad about red and I bantering...I'd say we're about done with that. Sorry to taint your post with our immaturity. while we'd all love to know what you're fix was, we can probably also appreciate the peace of not knowing -) reading the last post I can see the merit in sharing also.

feel free to post your solution with no fear of rebut from me. i love to be corrected when wrong, it's called growth!

cheers!
MJhig wrote on 2/25/2004, 3:55 PM
"we can probably also appreciate the peace of not knowing -)"

In this type of venue I can't condone "head in the sand" policy, furthermore I won't mind, and even would appreciate knowing I was wrong to gain knowledge myself. If I'm wrong, so be it, I'm a big boy.

I would be much more hurt by being deprived of the correct answer as will future posters searching the forum.

Personally the reason I visit forums is to learn and help. That's what the spirit of the forum is. The truth is divine regardless of who it hurts here. This is not a touchy feely Oprah show.

MJ
cosmo wrote on 2/25/2004, 4:08 PM
No kidding...not Oprah indeed. I'm not sure when this became about right or wrong anyways, that isn't the point. The point is that the problem got fixed. I don't care whose advice fixed it...and you're right, in the future others may benefit from knowing.
Rednroll wrote on 2/25/2004, 4:18 PM
It doesn't matter to me who was right, or who was wrong either. Actually, I didn't really offer a solution, I was just pointing out that ASIO would have nothing to do with this to keep him from wasting time looking into that area, then I had to defend myself for even mentioning it. I would have stepped in and offered some solution suggestions, if he just would have given some more details on his monitoring setup to elliminate possibilities, but I'm not going to try and guess his setup and ask 20 questions to get to that point.