Multiple MPEGS & 1 hr. Movie

pmc181 wrote on 1/23/2003, 11:52 AM
Hi all,
Up to now all the movies we have made were small clips like music videos. Now I need to convert a 1 hour VHS tape to a DVD with menus. I have all the hardware,(including a new 120 gb separate hard drive),and software, and know the steps to do this. But I have one question.

Do you normally break up a job like this into several or many mpegs instead of one large one ? Both to make is easier to edit, and tie into using menus on your DVD.

I know once you make the DVD it will just go from one mpeg to another because we have put several 3 to 5 minute music videos on one DVD and it just plays one after another until it's done. But there is always a short delay between mpegs. Do I just need to make good transitions from one mpeg to the next or if you have the space, do you just make one hugh mpeg ? Should I make like say 6 - 10 minute mpegs, or go with where ever a natural break would fit in to make the mpegs ?

Any suggestions before I tackle this project this weekend ?

Thanks
Paul

Comments

mikkie wrote on 1/23/2003, 12:00 PM
If you look at an off the shelf dvd, you'll see several VOB files making up the movie, so the gap or delay is not something that necessarily should be there. I would check the docs on your authoring software for that and what it accepts as imput. The only reason I can think of at the moment to divide your project up into so many pieces is if you wanted chapter points and couldn't get them any other way. In that case, I'd get new software rather then go through that tedium.

mike
Paul_Holmes wrote on 1/23/2003, 1:12 PM
Most of my DVD's are movies of 10 to 20 minutes, but I have produced at least 2 with hour long mpgs. As mikkie said, they are broken up into smaller vobs, but if you bring the full hour long mpg into the authoring program, it will play on the DVD as a continuous 1 hour movie. The other point, chapters, which you probably want depends on whether your software can set them or not.

I have also taken a 1 hour movie and broken it up into three sections that can each be independantly accessed from a menu. However, if the user starts the first section it will continue on and play sections 2 and 3 contiguously. Your authoring software needs to be able to set "end-actions" to do this.
riredale wrote on 1/23/2003, 2:04 PM
Based on my experience:

If you create one long MPEG2 file, then the authoring software will create several VOBs out of them. Each VOB in the finished VIDEO_TS folder will be no longer than 1GB. Your player will link from one VOB to the next without any pause.

If, instead, you create several MPEG2 files, and bring them separately into your authoring program, my experience is that the program will create a separate "Title" (not to be confused with the title of a video) for each of the separate MPEG2 files. Though these "Titles" can be linked to play in sequence, there will be a short pause of perhaps 1/2 second or so in many (perhaps all) players.

I ran into this issue last fall because I am working on a W98SE system, and thus the largest avi I can deal with is 4GB (about 18 minutes). Since I was using CinemaCraft as my MPEG2 encoder, I needed to keep the input files under 4GB. I suppose if I use the MPEG2 encoder in VV3 I wouldn't have that limitation, since VV3 can deal with single projects much longer than that, and I assume it would feed the separate 4GB chunks to the MPEG2 encoder as needed. In that case my only limitation would be to keep the final MPEG2 file under 4GB, which would be easy to do.
jthor wrote on 1/23/2003, 6:48 PM
Yeah, as a newbie on authoring, I find this of interest. You need to know what the authoring software will do for you. I have just finished my first project burning 4 DVD's (Mpeg2) with the longest being about 50 minutes. That VV3 created Mpeg2 file was about 2 GB (6 hours renderon P III 600mhz). A point is, if you have to re-render many times, it is a "bore". You should not have problems with an hour I would think. I am also fortunate to have a burner and player that reads "quite a few formats." Using +RW had been great for trial and error before the final +R. Keep searching this site. Lots of great help scattered around.
rwsjr wrote on 1/23/2003, 7:31 PM
I would say it depends on your DVD Authoring software. I have Ulead DVD Movie Factory and with that software, you pretty much have to have one big mpeg file or the DVD will return to a menu after it plays each clip, which is a major drawback of the Ulead product. Hoping SF makes it feasible for me to upgrade when DVD Architect is available.

I find I can generally get 100 minutes of video onto a DVD-R when using the Main Concept NTSC DVD template.
pmc181 wrote on 1/23/2003, 7:51 PM
Thanks everybody. I'll give it a shot this weekend.
Have a good one.

Paul
JumboTech wrote on 1/23/2003, 7:54 PM
Multiple mpegs = multiple Titles = multiple pauses.

One mpeg with however many Chapters = no pauses.

Al
JohnnyRoy wrote on 1/23/2003, 8:31 PM
> the DVD will return to a menu after it plays each clip, which is a major drawback of the Ulead product

You may want to consider an upgrade to DVD Movie Factory 2. This doesn’t return to the menu unless you tell it to. (i.e, its now under your control) You can play an entire DVD filled with MPEGs without having to return to the menu. This is a great new feature of DVD MF2.

~jr
rwsjr wrote on 1/23/2003, 9:22 PM
I'll wait to see what SF has to offer.
tadpole wrote on 1/23/2003, 9:28 PM
Had the same problem pmc181.

Here's what worked for me -
Ulead DVD workshop 1.2

Although I don't recommend buying it, nor anything from Ulead (they stink)
Download DVDWS 1.2 30day free trial from Ulead website (that should keep ya going till Sofo DVD architect comes out!!)

Render the project from the Vegas timeline into one big fat mpeg (Be sure to mark the time where you want chapters IN vegas - pain to do it in workshop)

Then plop it into DVD Workshop. Set your chapters points and should be good to go.
Using this method (well with DVD authoring software i have tried), you get smooth transitions plus you can skip chapters.

Couple Warnings/issues:
-If you have win98, don't ever install DVD workshop 1.3 (it will hose everything up on your sys)
Trial version has the following limitations:
-The Motion Menu feature is limited to five seconds.
-Maximum of 10 slide shows for one DVD title.
-Maximum of 20 images for one slide show.
-Maximum of 20 chapter points for one video clip.
-No custom highlight color settings.
-Limited text effects.
-Fewer menu templates, frames, objects, buttons and background images.

pmc181 wrote on 1/25/2003, 6:32 AM
Man, I'm glad I ask you guys about this. I almost didn't make a post thinking Ah, everybody knows the answer to that Paul. I'm going to install my new Maxtor 120gb seperate hard drive this morning and then start capturing from the VHS tape to disk.

I did not know about the chapter markers inside of Vegas either. I'll give it a try.

Paul