My apologies

Sebaz wrote on 9/14/2008, 12:51 PM
I really hate when people make mistakes and don't take responsibility for them. With that in mind, I do have to apologize because part of my problems with 8c (some of the crashes) were actually due to a faulty RAM module, which became evident after testing each of the four with Prime95 and Memtest. I wonder if maybe it's because the faulty one was the closest to the CPU, which is very close in my motherboard (Intel D975BXB2). I do have a rear fan and a front fan, and obviously the CPU fan that came with the boxed Intel CPU, but the computer case has a grille on the side for a smaller fan, so I'll put one in there just in case.

It was evident to me that since these crashes began as soon as I installed 8c, that the update was to blame, but I suppose this new version accesses memory in a way that 8b didn't, or perhaps the module became faulty two days ago.

I do maintain however, that this update is far from being decent and ready for the public. To summarize my list of disappointments:

- The crashes followed by reboots are gone, but I still have software crashes, sometimes just by scrubbing the timeline, or by prerendering a loop. As I'm typing this, I'm experiencing crashes too often just for doing simple things, such as choosing "Clean up prerendered video" from the menu, or switching from an effects window to the timeline. Since I took out the faulty module these crashes don't take down the whole system, but just Vegas.

- Releasing an NLE with a NTSC render template that has a PAL frame rate in its settings, as well as a Browse button that doesn't update the path you selected (in the Burn to Blu-ray disc option) is downright pathetic, and proper maybe of an alpha release, not even a beta, and certainly not of a third revision to a "Pro" NLE.

- Doing a prerender to 1920 MPEG2 gave me like one full minute of plain red taking all the footage space. I have no clue why this happened. Even worse, scrubbing that area back and forth crashed Vegas. When I relaunched it, I selected Clean Up Prerendered Files, and Vegas crashed again.

- I still can't get over the fact that the software bundled with my Canon HF100 can do AVCHD smart rendering perfectly and Vegas Pro cannot. It's hard for me to believe that Pixela (http://www.pixela.co.jp/en/index.html) holds some secret to the AVCHD format that Sony Creative Software cannot have. AVCHD is a great format with many advantages, such as not having that annoying tape motor noise, not being constrained to just one hour per tape, access each take much faster than with tape, not overwriting takes accidentally, etc. But until the major companies that sell NLE software don't put an effort to support it properly, it's a pain to edit.

- While AVCHD playback speed in the timeline has improved a bit, it's still not good. At times it will play at 29.97 fps, but as soon as there's movement in the footage such as a pan it will go down to 13 fps. This is on a 2.66 Ghz Quad Core with 4 GB

- I still don't understand why, if DVDA 5 can encode to 1920x1080 AVC at whatever bitrate you tell it to, Sony Vegas cannot go any higher than 16 Mbps. Since Vegas doesn't give me smart rendering, I need to re-encode my footage with a bitrate as high as my Blu-ray player will take on DVD media, which is 20 Mbps. With DVDA I can do that, but not with Vegas. I have to render my timeline to Huffyuv, taking up a humongous amount of disk space, to then import it in DVDA 5 and let it encode to 1920x1080 at 20 Mbps. It's just ridiculous.

Comments

TheHappyFriar wrote on 9/14/2008, 1:21 PM
get some RAM heat spreaders. They're ~$5 each but help get heat away from the ram.

but I doubt it was the heat, one modual was just bad.
blink3times wrote on 9/14/2008, 1:24 PM
"With that in mind, I do have to apologize because part of my problems with 8c (some of the crashes) were actually due to a faulty RAM"

Been there.... done that.... know what you went through. I struggled for months on a faulty stick of memory. Tested the memory 4 times and it was all good.... until the last time when I tested it in a different way for a longer period of time. Memory problems are tricky to uncover since one minute they're there.... and the next they're not.

Glad it's fixed.

And the avchd..... if it's any consolation.....I agree with you. I don't for the life of me understand why avchd edit is so weak in Vegas. There are other programs that can handle it better and faster. On the other hand, there must be some rational that I don't understand as to why Sony has taken the approach that it has.
ReneH wrote on 9/14/2008, 1:37 PM
I have a cpu fan that I installed in a drive bay, it has a knob in front that you can adjust the rpm's so you can get better cooling. What I do is turn it somewhat high whenever I do any overnight renders. I have never had a render gone bad and I also just did one after installing the new version of Vegas. Just another idea for you.

bulldog101 wrote on 9/14/2008, 4:36 PM
Another thing, were you have had all those crashes you could have some corrupt files. Might try uninstalling and reinstalling.
michaelshive wrote on 9/15/2008, 8:43 PM
Blink3times: What NLE can handle AVCHD files NATIVELY and play them back at full frame rate? FCP can't. Avid can't. Who can? Everyone transcodes to something else (right now).
blink3times wrote on 9/16/2008, 4:36 AM
Playing back is not really the issue for me. There are show-stopper bugs (may have been worked out in 8c.... haven't tested yet), no smart render, and the options with regards to avchd are a little thin compared to other apps. Have you ever tried burning a full-menu avchd disk in Vegas? I can certainly do this in other apps and I have been able to for a LONG time.

Don't get me wrong, I don't give avchd too much weight .... In fact I strongly disagree with this entire avchd movement altogether. People seem to call this stuff "efficient" while I tend to call it a lie.... but then that's another story.
Jim H wrote on 9/17/2008, 9:16 PM
respect.