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fr0sty wrote on 1/22/2023, 9:16 PM

Sony VEGAS Pro does not support HDR. Only newer versions of VEGAS Pro developed under Magix (VEGAS 16+) support HDR. Sony sold VEGAS to Magix years ago.

If you do not have your project settings set correctly, the color will not display correctly. What is your source media coming from? A phone? A camera? Which model?

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

fr0sty wrote on 1/22/2023, 9:18 PM

Based on your image, it looks like you are using screen recording software to capture a windows desktop, which will not capture it in HDR like you are hoping.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

ibrahim-v wrote on 1/22/2023, 9:46 PM

Sony VEGAS Pro does not support HDR. Only newer versions of VEGAS Pro developed under Magix (VEGAS 16+) support HDR. Sony sold VEGAS to Magix years ago.

If you do not have your project settings set correctly, the color will not display correctly. What is your source media coming from? A phone? A camera? Which model?

i have vegas 18. i am using shadowplay even if does not support hdr when i play the video in vlc or any video player it looks normal not pale like this.

RogerS wrote on 1/22/2023, 9:51 PM

It's hard to see your screenshot, can you upload it to the forum? There's a button next to the smiley face.

If you're in 32-bit ACES mode turn it off and try 8-bit full. I'm confused about what you are trying to do- if the footage isn't HDR why are you trying to create an HDR video?

Grazie wrote on 1/22/2023, 11:11 PM

i have vegas 18. i am using shadowplay even if does not support hdr when i play the video in vlc or any video player it looks normal not pale like this.

@ibrahim-v - Hi! So your “test” for VegasPro Media compliancy is that it plays in third party players. Well, might I suggest that’s not a good enough test. I’ve come to realise that something like VLC is excellent at doing what it’s told to do:

“VLC media player is a free and open-source, portable, cross-platform media player software and streaming media server developed by the VideoLAN project.”

What VegasPro is good at doing is making sure it’s able to edit with many many VP-compliant media sources, ready for editing. Understand these “foibles” and you will save yourself a lot of frustration.

OK, suggestion here, use the free MediaInfo tool on your Media and post the information back here to allow us to help you. In meantime, post your PC specs etc in your signature.

ibrahim-v wrote on 1/22/2023, 11:44 PM

i have vegas 18. i am using shadowplay even if does not support hdr when i play the video in vlc or any video player it looks normal not pale like this.

@ibrahim-v - Hi! So your “test” for VegasPro Media compliancy is that it plays in third party players. Well, might I suggest that’s not a good enough test. I’ve come to realise that something like VLC is excellent at doing what it’s told to do:

“VLC media player is a free and open-source, portable, cross-platform media player software and streaming media server developed by the VideoLAN project.”

What VegasPro is good at doing is making sure it’s able to edit with many many VP-compliant media sources, ready for editing. Understand these “foibles” and you will save yourself a lot of frustration.

OK, suggestion here, use the free MediaInfo tool on your Media and post the information back here to allow us to help you. In meantime, post your PC specs etc in your signature.

I am not here to test and make comparison, i am here to fix the problem i have. i mentioned vlc and other media players just to let them know that the video is not pale because the recorder program i use don't support hdr. I am just trying to clarify the problem here just to be resolved

Grazie wrote on 1/22/2023, 11:53 PM

I am not here to test and make comparison

@ibrahim-v - And yet here you are comparing VLC player with VP. As to you testing, you've come here with a frustrating issue, I get that, we all get that. A straighforward solution would be great, but now we are in the area of needing more information, and that could require testing. Now's the time to help us to help you. Provide that MediaInfo information and lets see what that produces.

Let's get this solved! - G

ibrahim-v wrote on 1/23/2023, 12:04 AM

It's hard to see your screenshot, can you upload it to the forum? There's a button next to the smiley face.

If you're in 32-bit ACES mode turn it off and try 8-bit full. I'm confused about what you are trying to do- if the footage isn't HDR why are you trying to create an HDR video?

i am using shadow play to record games. you ask "footage isn't HDR why are you trying to create an HDR video" The answer is that I don't know if the footage is hdr or not because i don't know if shadowplay support hdr i know that my monitor is hdr and i am playing with hdr and i don't want to turn off hdr because it makes the game more fun but the problem here that my video in vegas 18 become pale. this problem does not appear in the media player


see the difference
vegas 18

https://ibb.co/sgD3cCJ
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media player note(it's over bright because i used snipping Tool)

https://ibb.co/YXDQr1m

you see how pale when it's in vegas note (even after i render it in hdr off or on nothing change)

 

RogerS wrote on 1/23/2023, 12:07 AM

Please upload pictures to this forum.

RogerS wrote on 1/23/2023, 12:17 AM

Try turning off ACES (switch project setting to 8-bit full) and render the video and view it on your HDR device. That should be the same as what you are doing with your media player.

The problem is whatever the footage is like set to (right-click on an event and you can set the source color space) is probably on default or otherwise undefined and Vegas doesn't know how to transform it into HDR. It needs your intervention here for setting the space and also likely defining what is white.

Without that it will look dull.

ibrahim-v wrote on 1/23/2023, 12:22 AM

I am not here to test and make comparison

@ibrahim-v - And yet here you are comparing VLC player with VP. As to you testing, you've come here with a frustrating issue, I get that, we all get that. A straighforward solution would be great, but now we are in the area of needing more information, and that could require testing. Now's the time to help us to help you. Provide that MediaInfo information and lets see what that produces.

Let's get this solved! - G

i assure you i don't care compare them because i am not expert. you missed the point i mentioned vlc because some comment said your screen recording software don't support hdr thats why it's pale then i respond to him by meaning if it's because that why when i play it in vlc it don't look pale.

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these videos after the render in vegas 18

Grazie wrote on 1/23/2023, 12:37 AM

@ibrahim-v - Thanks for your information. OK, let's try something else. Open your Project Settings and use the Match Project Settings to Media:

Click on that Button and navigate to where you have your Media you are using. Your Project Settings SHOULD update OR remain the same.

ibrahim-v wrote on 1/23/2023, 12:41 AM

Try turning off ACES (switch project setting to 8-bit full) and render the video and view it on your HDR device. That should be the same as what you are doing with your media player.

The problem is whatever the footage is like set to (right-click on an event and you can set the source color space) is probably on default or otherwise undefined and Vegas doesn't know how to transform it into HDR. It needs your intervention here for setting the space and also likely defining what is white.

Without that it will look dull.

what color space setting should i use?

ibrahim-v wrote on 1/23/2023, 1:07 AM

@ibrahim-v - Thanks for your information. OK, let's try something else. Open your Project Settings and use the Match Project Settings to Media:

Click on that Button and navigate to where you have your Media you are using. Your Project Settings SHOULD update OR remain the same.

I did it but the same problem

RogerS wrote on 1/23/2023, 2:09 AM

Try turning off ACES (switch project setting to 8-bit full) and render the video and view it on your HDR device. That should be the same as what you are doing with your media player.

The problem is whatever the footage is like set to (right-click on an event and you can set the source color space) is probably on default or otherwise undefined and Vegas doesn't know how to transform it into HDR. It needs your intervention here for setting the space and also likely defining what is white.

Without that it will look dull.

what color space setting should i use?

What's the source video? Rec 709?

Are you sure this monitor can hit 1000 nits brightness as you have the view transform set to? Looks like it's way under that in real-world use: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-g7-c32g75t

ibrahim-v wrote on 1/23/2023, 2:41 AM

Try turning off ACES (switch project setting to 8-bit full) and render the video and view it on your HDR device. That should be the same as what you are doing with your media player.

The problem is whatever the footage is like set to (right-click on an event and you can set the source color space) is probably on default or otherwise undefined and Vegas doesn't know how to transform it into HDR. It needs your intervention here for setting the space and also likely defining what is white.

Without that it will look dull.

what color space setting should i use?

What's the source video? Rec 709?

Are you sure this monitor can hit 1000 nits brightness as you have the view transform set to? Looks like it's way under that in real-world use: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-g7-c32g75t


yes i know my monitor is less then 1000 nits it's around 700 nits but i did not find less the 1000 nits set setting

this the mediainfo for the video before vegas render

 

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Yelandkeil wrote on 1/23/2023, 3:11 AM

Dear @ibrahim-v, don't get confused running into all directions, follow reasonable steps asking yourself and then try to proof these steps in the public.

1, have I established an HDR10 project?

2, is my display set properly under the system?

3, what is IDT?

4, how do I perform IDT for my footage, no matter what kind they are: Rec709, Log...and adjust them to a proper preview.

5, oh yes, the proper preview on your display, not here:

 

Questions?

 

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ibrahim-v wrote on 1/23/2023, 5:09 PM

Dear @ibrahim-v, don't get confused running into all directions, follow reasonable steps asking yourself and then try to proof these steps in the public.

1, have I established an HDR10 project?

2, is my display set properly under the system?

3, what is IDT?

4, how do I perform IDT for my footage, no matter what kind they are: Rec709, Log...and adjust them to a proper preview.

5, oh yes, the proper preview on your display, not here:

 

Questions?

 

1 yes 2 yes

3 and 4 and 5 i did not understand it well. how can perform IDT

fr0sty wrote on 1/23/2023, 5:13 PM

Your source media says it is 10 bit and rec2020... so it matches the settings required for HDR...

Try this...

Open a new 4k project, set HDR mode to ON.

Right click on your media in the project media pool and go to properties. In properties, look for "color space". Set this to Rec2020. Press OK, then add the media to your timeline.

Does it look normal now?

If so, you're good to render it out as an HDR-compliant file.

However, you may want to disable 32 bit HDR mode while you edit, as it is really slow... you can do your editing first, then enable HDR mode, and render it out to a HDR MP4 file from there.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

ibrahim-v wrote on 1/23/2023, 7:03 PM

Your source media says it is 10 bit and rec2020... so it matches the settings required for HDR...

Try this...

Open a new 4k project, set HDR mode to ON.

Right click on your media in the project media pool and go to properties. In properties, look for "color space". Set this to Rec2020. Press OK, then add the media to your timeline.

Does it look normal now?

If so, you're good to render it out as an HDR-compliant file.

However, you may want to disable 32 bit HDR mode while you edit, as it is really slow... you can do your editing first, then enable HDR mode, and render it out to a HDR MP4 file from there.

thank you very much it worked. but there little problem that you can't notice it if you don't have OCD. the footage is little bit darker not much you notice but it's. note it's not vegas problem because even pre-render footage is the same if there is fix you can guid me of i am here. but i am I'm not obsessed with finding a fix to it because it's not that much noticeable. overall you literally fix it so thank you again

fr0sty wrote on 1/23/2023, 8:16 PM

Use the color grading panel, go into the utilities tab, and adjust the exposure slider. That will brighten it back up again.

ibrahim-v wrote on 1/27/2023, 1:37 AM

Use the color grading panel, go into the utilities tab, and adjust the exposure slider. That will brighten it back up again.

Hi. thank you for the help

but i have another problem if you can fix it. when i record with shadow play with separate audio i can't find any video player that can play the video with the 2 tracks the same time. even if i put the video directly to sony vegas it can't play it with 2 tracks i must chose between the 2 tracks . so first i need to find video player that can play 2 tracks if i want to transfer the video to sony vegas to play it with 2 tracks. i search and did not find any!. but i find a way to make vlc player to play 2 tracks but i can't save the video far as i know? any help please

MDVance wrote on 3/2/2023, 2:41 PM

@Yelandkeil, I'd like to clarify your step 5. Are you saying that turning on HDR preview does not accurately show the timeline content and should be left off?

When "HDR Preview" is on, we have noticed that it does not maintain aspect ratio (the image is stretched vertically to fit the preview window) and the tone/color are different than the final rendered output (over saturated color and compressed blacks). With HDR preview off, the tone/color is closer to the rendered output. Also, we have noticed that full-screen view is different than the windowed preview and the rendered output for both settings of "HDR Preview."