Need help creating a 400 line credit scroll

Rich Parry wrote on 1/4/2010, 5:18 PM
I’m using VP9c and the ProType Titler to create a 400+ line text credit scroll similar to the credit scrolls you see at the end of a theatrical movie that shows everybody connected with the movie including the grips, dolly grips, Foley editors, etc.

I find the ProType Titler cumbersome and difficult to work with. In addition, I can’t seem to get more than about 100 text lines to scroll not matter how long I make the “duration” and no matter how I adjust the path (Transformer/Offset/Y graphic). I’ve spent many hours playing with it and before I spend more time, thought I would ask if there is something better for generating a long credit list.

Thanks in advance for help,
Rich

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Rich in San Diego, CA

Comments

TheHappyFriar wrote on 1/4/2010, 6:10 PM
protype is meant for the fancy titles. You want a plain "text" credit roll. That will do it.
busterkeaton wrote on 1/4/2010, 6:13 PM
Search this board .for credit scroll and you'll find a lot of threads.

Use Sony's other text tool and also when you do the search, you'll find tips about creating the credits as a Word file and then importing.
2G wrote on 1/4/2010, 9:21 PM
I'm curious why you recommended the Plain Text Title generator for credits. Granted, you can keyframe the position of the text and basically have it 'scroll'. But there is also the Credit Roll generator as well. It has two-column support and has options for dashs and left/right justification of the columns.

Granted, it's not the most robust thing in the world. But for basic credits, it's pretty nice.

A couple of suggestions if you use it:

1) You can import to the two columns using copy/paste from two columns in an Excel spread sheet. Much easier editing in Excel.

2) There is no drop shadow option in the credit roll. But once I get the text completely inserted, I duplicate the track, use track motion to move the 2nd track down and to the right a couple of pixels, then change the bottom track text to black (or whatever opposite color makes sense for a shadow).

Again, not elegant. But it works.
Rich Parry wrote on 1/4/2010, 10:03 PM
Thanks to all that responded. I am embarrassed to say that I forgot about the legacy (ancient) "Credit Roll" for generating credit rolls. I used it years ago, but stopped using it when the ProType Titler was made available.

Now that I need to generate a very long credit roll, I see that the "Credit Roll" is much better for what I need.

I also felt that the "Credit Roll" wouldn't allow me to cut and paste text from a "WORD" or "EXCEL" file. However, I made a quick test and it does appear to do what I need as long as I add a TAB character between the left and right columns.

Getting late here so off to bed, but the quick test looks pretty good. I hope to complete the project tomorrow thanks to you guys.

good night,
Rich

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farss wrote on 1/4/2010, 10:07 PM
For a 400+ line movie style credit roll I'd probably create the whole things in Photoshop first then pan it in Vegas. That way you can also handle the logos etc. PS can create an image 32,000 pixels high and Vegas can handle them. If you need more pixies, just split it over more images.

Bob.

goshep wrote on 1/4/2010, 10:20 PM
Bob,

Awesome! Didn't know that was possible.

It pays to surf this forum daily.

Chienworks wrote on 1/5/2010, 3:14 AM
"If you need more pixies"

How many more do i need before they can't all dance on the head of a pin? ;)
TheHappyFriar wrote on 1/5/2010, 6:50 AM
I'm curious why you recommended the Plain Text Title generator for credits
my mistake, I was thinking "credit roll" was a preset of "text". It is seperate.
arbory wrote on 1/5/2010, 1:27 PM
I made a lot of credit rolls - and after messing with the text plugin in vegassince V4, i stick always to a PSD file.

This is how i make it:

1: Write it in Open Office or Word or any other text editor or Layout program
comletely finnished with right font/size etc....

2: Print export in pdf

3: Open in PS

4: Choose the right horizontal size (like your video project settings)
render is much faster when the horizontal pixels are the same like in vegas project.

5: Vertical size depends on length of credits. If too long (like in earlier versions of Vegas) split it in same length parts (copy, and paste event attributes from first part to maintan the same speed over the roll)

6: Import in Vegas and pan. The render is much faster compared to vegas credit roll, and looks cleaner.



Rich Parry wrote on 1/7/2010, 1:49 PM
I am the original poster for this topic and thought I would provide update.

As suggested on this thread, the standard Credit Roll works fine. I can edit the credits in WORD and cut and paste into the Credit Roll. It was a big mistake to use ProType Titler. It's the wrong tool for what I was doing.

There is one problem, the time to render a 400 line scroll is incredible long. It seems like it added an hour to the rendering process. I can live with this for now.

thanks everyone,
Rich

CPU Intel i9-13900K Raptor Lake

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Rich in San Diego, CA

Chienworks wrote on 1/7/2010, 2:26 PM
What i'd do in that case is to create the credit roll as a separate project and render it to it's own file. I'd then use that file as an event in the overall project. That way if i have to change anything in the project the render doesn't take the major hit from the credits again.
johnmeyer wrote on 1/8/2010, 8:06 AM
There is one problem, the time to render a 400 line scroll is incredible long. It seems like it added an hour to the rendering process.I was going to post about this, but didn't think it would affect you, given how I originally thought you were going to proceed.

There used to be a bug in Vegas -- and it is possible that it still exists -- where if you use any kind of shadow on the credit roll, it makes the render obnoxiously slow. I found this when trying to do a credit roll using pan/crop on the standard text generator, but it may also impact the credit roll generator.

Here is a link to my ancient post on the subject:

Scrolling Issue

text generator instead of scrolling credits