Thanks a ton Grazie!

"To start with, I'm getting NO diference between 6 and 7 turing Colour Management on/off."

hmmmm, 6 works fine for me but 7 doesn't want to seem to do anything. I wonder if this is a PAL or NTSC thing (not sure what your using) - maybe by using an HDV setting we could avoid the whole PAL/NTSC thing? - here is the step by step to reproduce my issue:

1) fire up Vegas 7 and turn on preview to external monitor - project settings don't seem to matter but maybe try HDV.

2) drop color bars on the timeline -

3) right click in the preview window

4)select preview device preferences

5) in the pop up preview device menu put a check mark in "use color management" - this should also select "use studio RGB (16 to 235)" and you should see monitor color profile as "sRGB Color Space Profile.icm" in the little pull down menu as well.

6) hit apply and ok and see if that drops the blacks down a bit. If you look at the 3 pluge bars on the color bars you should only be able to see the far right grey one. The super black and black should be solid black.

Thanks again!

Sorry Yo-Yo! I waited all day - joshin' - just turned ,machines off and off to bed. Early start might get me a go tomorrow - ok?

I set my stuff up in NTSC thinking that that was what you wanted me to do?

What do you want me on - NTSC or PAL?

Thanks a bunch - dont' stay up on my account!

Lets call it NTSC just for the heck of it. No hurry, just playing with V7, if anybody else wants to try this as well feel free.

Yoyodyne

What you see I suspect will depend to a large extent on how the monitor is calibrated.

Bob.

Yo-Yo has the same Monitor, but different versions of Vegas. Your calibration comment still hold true? - Interesting.

Nope, calibration is not a factor. The problem is Vegas 6 will give me the correct RGB conversion by selecting it in the preview options - Vegas 7 just sits there and does nothing no matter what I select. If I A/B between the exact same color bars in 6 and 7 on the exact same monitor 6 looks like it should, 7 is washed out.

I'm just wondering if this is a bug or is it just me.

Thanks for the input though - anyone else want to take a crack at this?

Firstly I didn't see any clue that indicates that you and he have the same monitor.
Secondly yes and sorry if this is bleeding obvious.
You would both firstly need to ensure that you're seeing the same change when switching color space in V6 and then compare the results in V7.
It's pretty easy to get an LCD calibrated so that none of the pluge swatches are visible. This could lead to someone saying 'I don't see any differences between V6 and V7" when the more specific issue is you don't see any differences in V6 to start with.

Bob.

It's not a difference between V6 and V7 thing - I'm just trying to sort out if the "use color management" in V7 is broken. Even if the monitor is a bit out of whack there should be some visible difference in black level when color management is on -vs- off.

In V6 I can see a shift when I select color managment in the preview device options and toggle it on -vs- off. When I do the same in V7 it doesn't do anything, the pluge level is unchanged.

Much appreciate the help with this!

Yoyodyne,

Yes, there definitely a difference on my setup. I haven't calibrated for several months, but here's what I've found. When I say "visible", it means that I can see the 11.5 block on the NTSC bars. When I say "Gone", it means 11.5 block blends with the black on the screen.

Color Mgmt off: V6-visible V7-visible
Color Mgmt on:
--studio RGB on: V6-Gone V7 visible
--studio RGB off: V6-visible V7 visible

Definite difference. Now, did they Break something, or Fix something in V7???

BTW: I've never had color management on. So, have all my color correcting practices been incorrect? When should I use it, and when should I not use it? And should I use the studio RGB, and when?

Just always looking for suggestions...

Dave

Yoyo,
I suspect you're correct.
My point is that someone else with a monitor calibrated differently might not see the same issue.
If they had the blacks crushed (very easy to do on LCDs) then they'd not see the pluge in V6 or V7 and say "looks OK to me"

Ah, one possible clue.
From memory some monitor drivers use a management profile based on the application running, so you can have different calibration for say PS and Vegas. Could this be the answer? The calibration settings for sRGB are only being used by the driver for V6, when it sees the app as V7 it doesn't use them.

Just a wild guess.

Thanks a bunch guys, fldave thanks a ton! You are seeing the same thing I am.


"Color Mgmt off: V6-visible V7-visible
Color Mgmt on:
--studio RGB on: V6-Gone V7 visible
--studio RGB off: V6-visible V7 visible

Definite difference. Now, did they Break something, or Fix something in V7???"


I'm going with the break something. As far as the color management thing goes - according to what I have read (I think it was from DSE) when previewing HDV out to an external LCD monitor you should have color management on so the gamma is correct. If you don't it will be artificially raised and you will be able to see the 3.5, 7.5 and 11.5 pluge bars (the three little black rectangles on the bottom right of color bars). You can tweak the monitor to compensate but it will still be incorrect - you need the studio rgb to compensate so what you are actually sending the monitor is correct. My personal experience has born this out to be true.

fldave, you should have your monitor set so you can only see the 11.5 bars - the 3.5 and 7.5 should both look black. Still what you are seeing is the same thing I am - the gamma is being changed with color management in V6 but not in V7 - is anyone else seeing this?

Here is a link if anyone wants to read more about color bars. Thanks again for all the help!

...and this time I will actually add the link:

http://www.videouniversity.com/tvbars2.htm

"you should have your monitor set so you can only see the 11.5 bars - the 3.5 and 7.5 should both look black."
Yes, this is what I have my monitor calibrated at.

"when previewing HDV out to an external LCD monitor you should have color management on so the gamma is correct"
My preview monitor is CRT, not LCD. Does this still apply, and is it only for HDV footage?

Thanks, I need all the help I can get!

Thanks for the help guys, have opened a support ticket with Sony.

fldave - good question. I know in my case with preview to a second monitor and my dell 2405 if color management is off my gamma is off for final color correction.

I will let everyone know what Sony says, thanks again

Yoyodyne

Yoyodyne,

Fixed in V7b just released. Haven't tested it, but:

"Fixed a bug that prevented the Use color management feature (Preferences > Preview Device) from working correctly when using a Windows Secondary Display."