Need suggestions on best editing workflow

MIKE P wrote on 1/25/2008, 1:37 PM
I often find myself (ie volunteer) creating videos from multiple camera sources (2 or 3 depending on project). Use for example, a 60 minute stage recital or performance. What I have been doing is taking all 3 sources and adding them to tracks on the timeline and synchronizing them by the audio tracks. So far so good, as it works well at least, and does not require too much effort to get them synchronized. Then what I do is essentially cut from one video source to another to add interest, focus in on certain things, etc. All this is pretty basic stuff, I know, but I am not sure I am doing the best way possible. What I essentially do is put the main video source (i.e. the wide angle full shot camera) on the 1st video track and leave that 100% composited). Then I add a compositing envelope to the other two tracks, and bring them up to 100% composited when I "cut" to that source, and then back to 0%. Sometimes I put the points or nodes right on top of each other for a quick cut, sometimes, I'll offset them in the timeline for a fade in of the track on top. I do not ever split the tracks, or trim them, because I do not want to lost my time sync between each of the video sources (which are typically single clips on each track).

Is there a better way to do this? Am I doing it the best and most efficient way possible?

One drawback is that you have to be very careful, when moving points on the composite envelope to make sure that you take them to either 0% or 100%. This takes extra care and time to carefully place each one, or by right-clicking and choosing to set them to 0% or 100%. I just noticed a couple of spots in one finished project that I must not have done that, and could see a very faint bleed through of one of the other video tracks, and need to go back and find that spot to see if I had left one of the upper tracks not pulled down to 0% on the envelope.

I would love to hear others' thoughts on the best ways to do this sort of work.

Thanks.

Comments

Kennymusicman wrote on 1/25/2008, 2:03 PM
In keeping with your workflow:
You could split events where you want the top track to cut into (ie be visible), and where you don't (ie, stop being visible), then simply delete unwanted footage (make sure you don't ripple edit though).

A quick fade in/out and you're done - then you're 100% certain that your levels are either 100%, or 0%
autopilot wrote on 1/25/2008, 2:10 PM
It sounds like you need Multicam in Vegas 8 Pro. Although, what you might do is Pan & Crop each video into a separate corner, so you can see all of them at once in the preview window, drop markers at your split points, and write down to use video 1 at marker 1, and so on. Then just Default your videos back to normal size and do the cuts at the markers.

Give it a shot, it may work for you.
teunis wrote on 2/28/2008, 10:22 AM
I am also playing with the multi-cam thing. It can sure get you some "oohs" and "aaahhhs" when done right. I think I am doing it pretty much the same way that you are. One thing I have found is to select the drop down arrow beside the "auto ripple" option and select "all tracks, markers and regions". That way when I move something, everything else moves with it. I just found that option and so far it has worked well for me.
Though I have never used more than two cameras, I think the easiest way would be to edit only two cameras at a time. For example, insert the main camera and sync with one of the others. When you have that one done, save it (or save as), render it, start a new project, then sync with the next camera. Like I said, I've never done this but that has always been my plan when I do eventually add another camera.
A problem that I am looking for help on is this: The current project I am working on is a basketball game. I get the two as close as I can and then try to sync them at the point where dribbled basketball hits the floor. I have found that I can get it real close but often times would like to move one clip ahead or behind by one frame. I can't seem to get that small of a movement by dragging the clip with my mouse. The sync is close enough that it looks fine when played back but I end up spending too much time trying to get it just right. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
John
teunis wrote on 2/28/2008, 10:25 AM
Oops. I tried to post this message three times. The first two times it told me that there was an error so I assumed my post did not go thru. Apparently, whatever the error was, it posted it every time. Sorry about that.
John
autopilot wrote on 2/28/2008, 10:58 AM
The more you Zoom In on the timeline, the more precise your editing will be.

For example, a wide zoom may move the clip 5 frames at a time, but zoomed in all the way will let you move 1 frame at a time.
Himanshu wrote on 2/28/2008, 11:23 AM
Don't have my manual handy right now, but I'm sure I remember reading about some key combinations that manipulate timeline clips one frame at a time.
teunis wrote on 2/28/2008, 12:32 PM
I appreciate the subtleness of someone saying, "I, thought I read in the manual somewhere....". Thank you for not being more blunt.
I did find what I was looking for. Select the event and and pressing 1 or 3 on the numeric keypad moves it back or forth 1 frame.

Thanks again

John