Need to make Fluent animated menu

we7313 wrote on 11/16/2003, 1:47 PM
My goal is to make a dvd with about 20 music videos.
I would like the menu to consist of the name of each video.
Here's were the hard part comes in: When a title is highlighted
I would like a preview clip to play (for like 10 seconds) in a small window to the right of the names. Is there a way to do this without creating a new menu for each video selection? Also i tried creating a new menu for each song but the time to switch between menus when your scrolling through the songs was just to slow. Any Suggestions?

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JSWTS wrote on 11/16/2003, 2:00 PM
The short answer is no. You can't create these type of menus within DVD-A, because you need the ability to assign 'auto action' to your buttons, AND you would have to make several copies of your menu, the differences being the animation of the selected clip. These kind of menus, especially with so many thumbnails, take a fair amount of work, and in some set top players, the navigation between the menus can be sluggish--giving it a less than fluid appearance.

Jim
kameronj wrote on 11/16/2003, 4:35 PM
Although I agree "in general" with JSWTS' answer - well at least the first part...I'm going to differ on part two.

Although currently you can't assign an action to a buttion (would be nice though)...making the thumbnails isn't that much work. You would just have to edite each of your video's to make x-amount of smaller clips.

The sluggish part of playback....I don't see that being too much of a concern. I've created animated menu items and they all seem to run very smooth (it's not like playing on a P4 PC vs a P1).

What you need to be mindful of is that there is a finate amout of space you can use for menus in DVDA (I think it is a gig). So you would have to plan accordingly.

But...again...all this information is moot since you can't assign an action to the buttons (as such).

Maybe you could do a submenu for each that plays a preview and tells a little about the video. That's a thought.
JSWTS wrote on 11/16/2003, 7:26 PM
kameronj,

I would agree that the way you are describing thumbnail creation and menus, would move reasonably quickly, but it does not emulate what the origianl poster was asking. The way I read his question was that with mouse over or with simple selection (not actual activation with the remote), the thumbnail that's highlighted (again not activated) will then animate. As the viewer mouse's over the other thumbnails, the new one will animate automatically, while the others remain 'dormant'. To achieve such an appearance, the option for auto-activation (ie the menu hot spot responds with simple viewing) is required from within the authoring application (or with a lot of after the fact manipulation with IfoEdit)--which DVD-A doesn't offer. You have to have multiple identical menus--each one having an animated thumbnail for one selection, and the rest 'still' images for each and every thumbnail. Each menu has to mapped correctly for it to work, and with 20 thumbnails, you're talking a lot of duplicate menus and linkages. When you mouse over one of the thumbnails, it will then auto-activate and go to the identical looking menu except for the thumbnail that was viewed will now be moving, and the rest 'still'. If the viewer clicks on the thumbnail now, they will be brought to that chapter. The transition from 'still' thumbnail to 'motion' thumbnail is what can be sluggish, and depends on the menu order and position of each menu to each other on the disc. The farther they are away from each other, the longer it might take the player to 'find' the next menu--and the slower that is, the less seamless the transition will look. Animated thumbnails in DVD-A are easy, but that really isn't what we are talking about here.

Jim
kameronj wrote on 11/16/2003, 9:39 PM
Interesting.

Although I totally grasp what the original question was - without additonal assistance to DVDA I was not aware that this feature can be done (as your post seems to indicate).

Or are you indicating that? Your first post says no - this last post seems to be saying that "...To achieve such an appearance, the option for auto-activation (ie the menu hot spot responds with simple viewing) is required from within the authoring application (or with a lot of after the fact manipulation with IfoEdit)--which DVD-A does offer.

Achieving the feature as you describe I could see the slugishness happining...but I'm confussed if you are saying DVDA can or can not do this.

My experience says it can't. Can it?.
JSWTS wrote on 11/16/2003, 10:33 PM
Me bad!

I meant to say "which DVD-A DOESN'T offer". Sorry for the confusion. I fixed it.

Jim
kameronj wrote on 11/17/2003, 1:41 PM
Whew....thought I was going a little kookoo.

Thanks for that clarification.
PeterWright wrote on 11/18/2003, 3:31 AM
As a general point - are mouse over actions within the DVD specs?

It's easy to do this in a CDRom, but I'm wondering if the idea of having a thumbnail remain inert until pointed at, then become animated, is possible in any DVD app?

Good news if it is ...
JSWTS wrote on 11/18/2003, 9:13 AM
In a way there are. It is allowed in the dvd spec that when you view a hotspot (whether it's visible or not), it can be set to 'auto-activate' and move to another asset (menu or video). In this case, the viewer highlights one of the thumbnails (still picture) which then (hopefully) moves seamlessly to an identical looking menu except for the fact that that particular button now has motion. Auto-activation is possible in higher end PC apps like Scenarist and Maestro, DVD-Lab also allows this (Mediachance), and DVD Studio Pro 2.0 on the Mac side.

Jim