Nested projects in dvd architect

Rory Cooper wrote on 5/28/2008, 10:45 PM
I’ve only recently started using nested projects and its frigging amazing although I hardly ever cut dvds and been spoilt by this fluid workflow. No rendering and importing rendered content is a hugh bonus. Can you import veggies into dvd architect in the same pattern.

I tired but couldn’t see a way

Rory

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Grazie wrote on 5/29/2008, 12:19 AM
Nested Veggies are only Proxy files - they are not the finished product. You render out a project with nests in them, your machine will NEED to render to the format you have forced on it. I think THAT is where you are coming unstuck with your logic - yeah? And yes, having the ability to import the proxy into DVDA "might" be an advantage . . . I'm thinking . . I'm still thinking .. . nope, can't think of one. As DVDA would still need to render to the DVD formats and so on, this might actually put even more strain on the DVDA engine. I finish my work - including nests - within Vegas, I render to an AVI, then produce a "video only" MPG and an audio AC-3 and it is these two sets I then import to DVDA. It is a very quick process.

But yes, anything that will speed-up a process I'm with you on that. Unfortunately, importing - if one could - nests/veggies directly into DVA - eh? Not so much!

Grazie

farss wrote on 5/29/2008, 12:42 AM
Grazie's pretty much nailed it.
Even if you could not a wise thing to do. Leaving DVDA to do the encode to mpeg-2 robs you of the ability to finely tweak the encoding. My advice, always encode from the Vegas T/L from your source to mpeg-2 and pay some attention to how you setup the encode. The difference in the results can vary from none to night and day. If you're working in NTSC and shooting HDV the difference should be quite dramatic unless you use a good DI like CF or Sony YUV. Even if you shoot humble DV, your graphics will hold up better.

Bob.
reberclark wrote on 5/29/2008, 11:27 PM
Grazie: Just curious (relatively new here) why you render to AVI then produce the mpg/ac-3? Why not render video to mpg from Vegas without the AVI middle step?
Grazie wrote on 5/29/2008, 11:44 PM
Wanna see my scars?

I do quite a bit of compositing and colour grading and so on. There are 2 major reasons I do this interim AVI:

1] I have found FXs take for ever going straight to MPG.

2] I have had Vegas "choke" on some of my more ridiculous concoctions I have produced! And choking halfway through an MPG render? I really don't need it. If I find a "hitch" in an AVI render process this is less time than waiting to go to MPG again.

The other thing is that I can re-use and splice in parts of the AVI. Yes I could do the same with MPG, but then I would then, subsequently be rendering an already rendered MPG. Nope, not for me. I like the security of knowing I have completed project in a format I could then further edit and further render to MPG.

Grazie
reberclark wrote on 5/30/2008, 7:54 AM
Grazie: thanks for the info. I had considered doing the same thing and was wondering if there was any loss Vegas>AVI>MPG. I am very new at this and am trying to understand. I, too, have "ridiculous concoctions" that will sometimes hang the render to mpeg from Vegas. Is the AVI totally lossless? Please forgive my inexperience. Thanks.
Grazie wrote on 5/30/2008, 8:08 AM
Is it totally loss-less? This has been discussed to death here. A small search will bring up the conversations on it.

Grazie
reberclark wrote on 5/30/2008, 11:32 AM
Grazie's technique/workflow works great for me. I will be using it from now on. It's more flexible and faster overall (with less worries)
than rendering to MPEG-2 from the parent (nested) project, in my case anyway.

Grazie: Do you render each child (nest) as an individual AVI, or do you render large sections or the entire parent project as an AVI file?
Thanks again. I may email you this question as well.
Grazie wrote on 5/30/2008, 2:45 PM
OOps! Fell asleep in front of tellie!

I have done both. It depends on the project. Some projects require subtle changes in the nests others not. It is hard to be "single-minded" about this, but I have found is that just with a little forward planning I can achieve both Sanity & Flexibility!

Sanity = keeping it simple

Flexibility = allowing for adjustments

I am a very messy editor - I am! I push and pull stuff about; change my mind; add new and develop colour grades and so on. The day that SONY brought out Nests was a day I celebrated.

Thanks, Rebbie, I got your email . . and you are very very welcome. I keep learning new stuff too. The folks here are very supportive of those wanting to improve their Vegas Skills-set.

Grazie
kairosmatt wrote on 5/31/2008, 4:23 PM
What I would like to see in DVDA is nested DVDA menus.

Say you've created a couple of cool projects with menus and backgrounds and scene selections etc. Then you want to make a project that includes both-to show some of your work to someone else or whatever. It would be nice to fire up a new project, add your logo or what not and have a menu where you could select each project individually and completely.

What I mean is, if you could add a sub menu that was already a DVDA file.

You can copy and past to a limited sense between projects, but you don't get backgrounds and other stuff. At least I don't, if someone else knows how to do, let me know!

kairosmatt