Actually I think this is what is being referred to Sonicfire Pro 5 and I'm risking being jumped on for promoting a 'competitive product" by Blink.

Actually Sonicfire and its predecessor Smartsound have been around for years before Cinescore.
I had Smartsound as a free plugin in Premiere 6.

This announcement though does appear to integrate it into FCP which hasn't been the case up until now. Both Sonicfire and Cinescore are quite similar in nature, though Sonicfire has a larger library of music and it's 'multi-layered' discs offer an ability to customise a piece of music in a way that Cinescore doesn't quite meet.

I used it as a standalone program in an audio CD oral history project I edited in Vegas just prior to Christmas and was able to bring out quite short lead guitar passages in between gaps in interviews of only a few seconds while the bed music track ran under the narrators summation.

New Hope Media

OK, I fixed the link. Yeah, Sonicfire Pro has been around for years, but the new thing is being able to use it from within FCP, which as much as their touting it like it is some incredible new thing, is merely playing catch-up with Vegas and it's plugin access to Cinescore.

LAFCPUG (Los Angeles Final Cut Pro Users Group, with a reach far beyond the City of Angels) invited Timothy Duncan to present Vegas at a monthly meeting a few years ago.

I was there and saw the collective jaws of the audience drop when they saw how quickly things could be done in Vegas compared to any other NLE (they also invited top Avid pros and others).

So why is there still a single FCP user left?

Is it because they're stooopid?

Or is it because there are still quite a few things that only FCP can do?

If you need any of the latter, the speed with which they can be done don't really matter.

Please Blink, go easy on me, I'm just trying to state the facts!

:O]

>>>>Or is it because there are still quite a few things that only FCP can do?<<

Like force you to waste 3 days on something that could be done in Vegas in 2 hours?

It's not "waste" when the work simply can't be done in Vegas.

Vegas doesn't support all file formats and it doesn't support all the functionality that many broadcast and feature film editors require.

I love Vegas when I can use it.

When I can't use it, I don't have a choice, so the argument is moot.

"Please Blink, go easy on me, I'm just trying to state the facts!"

Ahhh Course,

The Vegas forums are about the only place (besides the FCP forums) where you guys get to toot your horn... I get that. In actual fact I feel for you guys... so lonely... so isolated...

I've waited years and paid for 4 upgrades and still can't get things done in Vegas that FCP and Ppro have always been able to do.

As for SFPro, well it has been available inside Ppro for years so I think that's where FCP is playing catchup.

Then again SFPro has an option to output separate wav files so you can do a mix in Vegas, the output option specifically states 'for Vegas'. I found out about SFPro and bought it years ago on the advice of people here, I've recommended it to several local Vegas users who are very happy with it. One of them used to have an orchestra at his disposal and still he is impressed with SFPro and Smartsound's library of music.

A more interesting question is why didn't / couldn't Smartsound develop a plugin that worked in Vegas. Not that I've ever found the lack of it a deal breaker using it with Vegas but it's still an interesting question.

Bob.

As far as Vegas not doing some things that FCP can do: yes it's true, but most of them don't affect my HDV shot projects. I can see where it would be a deal-breaker for those needing 10 bit color support though.

Well.... every NLE can do something that another can't... even the off-the-shelf consumer cheapies are known for SOMETHING so I don't think it really says a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

The Vegas forums are about the only place (besides the FCP forums) where you guys get to toot your horn... I get that. In actual fact I feel for you guys... so lonely... so isolated...

So let me see if I understand this correctly:

When you, Blink, answer somebody's questions (in between the personal attacks), you contribute your knowledge and experience.

When other people do it, they are just doing it to toot their own horns.

OK... Seems reasonable. In a G13 kind of way.


Well.... every NLE can do something that another can't... even the off-the-shelf consumer cheapies are known for SOMETHING so I don't think it really says a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

Umm, in the grand scheme of things, could it say to use the tools that work for your needs?

Naah. Just find one tool and use that no matter what.


I think I want to be an amateur again!

No pressure, no deadlines, no having to work with demanding people.

Just a hobby and a God-given right to complain about all the stupid professionals who have no idea what's best for them.

"When you, Blink, answer somebody's questions (in between the personal attacks), you contribute your knowledge and experience. "

What are you talking about??? I haven't attacked anybody.... much less you. Please show me where I attacked some one!?

"Naah. Just find one tool and use that no matter what."
Who said anything about using one tool?

Please show me where I attacked some one!?

How about in this thread:

I feel for you guys... so lonely... so isolated...

You're not giving names, but you clearly know a lot of people here intimately enough to know that they are "lonely and isolated."

It seems you mean that all other posters here (besides you) are lonely and isolated.

I'm not sure how you know so many people on so many continents, but perhaps that is possible.

I recall from Psychology 101 though that most people ascribe to others what they themselves are going through, so maybe there is an alternative explanation.

Who said anything about using one tool?

You said that "even off-the-shelf consumer cheapies are known for SOMETHING so I don't think it really says a whole lot in the grand scheme of things," implying that if another NLE has some other functionality, that functionality is simply not important (because then it would have been already implemented in your NLE).

Just another thread wheeling well off track....

"I feel for you guys... so lonely... so isolated..."

Gawd... are you sensitive or what!?

That wasn't an attack.... ti was a friggin joke!! I was responding to your:
"Please Blink, go easy on me, I'm just trying to state the facts!"

geez... lighten up will ya!

By the way that add was from the SmartSound trying to get FCP users to buy their product... not an announcement from Apple about FCP.

Smartsound now have a clip on YouTube for the Sonicfire Pro plugin for FCP.

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=87387483536&h=hFZ_R&u=53vKb&ref=mfSonicfire Pro 5.1[/link]

The video really doesn't do the software justice with the lame music choice but it does give a hint of what the plugin can do, you'd have to know what other things Sonicfire offers to appreciate what else is possible with the software.

Cinescore integrates nicely with Vegas but I'd like to see Smartsound do the same with Sonicfire in Vegas as they have for FCP as I own both Cinescore and Sonicfire Pro 5 as well as Vegas and FCP.

New Hope Media

C'mon Laurence, let's not be the usual children making the same petty remarks.

I seriously doubt Apple is the least bit concerned about Sony Vegas.

Has anyone located when the release date is for this?
Also i am wondering if because sony has cinescore is that the reason Smartsound will not support newer versions of Vegas?

It seems that support for Vegas stopped right around the time Cinescore came out, cause I remember that there was some kind of legal action Smartsound had against SCS a couple of years ago.

Paul B

That legal dispute was settled with a license patent arrangement that is described here:

http://www.eventdv.net/Articles/News/Breaking-News/SmartSound-and-Sony-Creative-Software-Reach-Patent-License-Agreement-39236.htm

Sony is still releasing new libraries for Cinescore. I wouldn't worry about it being orphaned or anything like that.

A professional is someone who does his or her work the best that they are capable of and that work is of an excellent nature. It has nothing to do with how many and what kind of tools they own or use. Having one NLE or several does not make you an amateur or professional.

A professional is someone who does his or her work the best that they are capable of and that work is of an excellent nature. It has nothing to do with how many and what kind of tools they own or use. Having one NLE or several does not make you an amateur or professional.

Harold was this post meant for this thread? ...or is it related to the, off topic, exchange between the Vegas and FCP fanatics?

Other than those questions I agree with your assessment, though I'd add the proviso that one gets paid for their work, which is usually another part of the distinction between professional and amateur.
Besides the derogatory use of the terms which we'll avoid if possible.

>> A professional is someone who does his or her work
>> the best that they are capable of and that work is of an
>> excellent nature

Well, that is strictly not even close to true. If the quality of work was the measurement then "to the best that they are capable of" would probably not be the bar that the would have to jump.

A professional is someone who does things for money. An amateur is someone who does something with no expectation of pay. The amateur might be significantly more talented than the professional. In fact, the professional might be a complete clutz and utterly unable to produce any kind of reasonable result. As long as someone is willing to pay him for his incompetence he is still a professional. He probably wouldn't remain so for a long time however :-)

>> one gets paid for their work, which is usually another
>> part of the distinction between professional and amateur

It's the only distinction. There is no relationship between quality of work and the concepts of "professional" and "amateur". There are lots of amateurs in a variety of fields who will outperform the vast majority of professionals in said field, they just chose not to work for pay in said field.