Go here:

http://www.creativecow.net/index.php?forumid=24

and look for "PREMIERE PRO"

there are two reviews ...

Personally ive stopped reading program reviews along time ago. I just go directly to the forums and see what other users are complaining about. In fact i have yet to see a bad review of any NLE program geared toward the hobbyist/ professional market. They all seem positive and the lowest score ive ever seen given for any program has been a 7/10 (how many thumbs is that??) Hell, Premiere 6.5/ Pinnacle Studio 8 got 8/10 and then some from various review sites.

Hey, thanks, Peter. Starixiom, Premiere Pro hasn't actually been released, yet. . . that's why people would want to look at a review of it.

Thanks, again,
Kyle

*Hope something like this is in the pipeline for Vegas.*

What I'd think would be nice, is not only the ability to nest sequences, but perhaps something borrowed from dtp & Word etc. -> the ability to handle styles.

So this this Premiere "Pro" actuatly Premiere 7, or did they change the name?

I read on the Premiere forums last week that Premiere is considered a profesional program (not meant for hobbiest people, indictating that cheaper programs wean't for pro's). That discusion contained the fact that even though Premiere said it could handle MPEG-2 files, you couldn't place mpeg-2's in the timeline and edit them. The response was that pro's don't edit mpeg-2's. That is the same answer Adobe gave for multiple undo's in Photoshop before they gave the ability of the histroy/undo's (Pro's don't need multiple undo's. They save a copy of their picture every time they change it).

Also, did adobe change the interface? I setup a Vegas editing computer for someone who uses Final Cut Pro at a 2nd job. They were actuatly impressed on how much Vegas was like FCP. They only problem he had using Vegas was that PC's have more then 1 mouse button for some wierd reason. :)

"I read on the Premiere forums last week that Premiere is considered a profesional program (not meant for hobbiest people, indictating that cheaper programs wean't for pro's). "

Adobe can be a strange company, & have not ever completely abandoned their old customers as elitest philosophy. Even though they're changing in the face of increasing competition, seems more of a forced march -> I personally think it ridiculous that P/shop 7.1 *STILL* doesn't stick the floppie icon up there to save your work - is perhaps the only app outside of 3D that doesn't. Minor thing that to me screams stubborn elitest mentality.

"That discusion contained the fact that even though Premiere said it could handle MPEG-2 files, you couldn't place mpeg-2's in the timeline and edit them. The response was that pro's don't edit mpeg-2's. "

Kind of makes me really hope that MS has their way, and handling streams from capture to render in wmv takes hold. Of course there is a lot of mpg2 handling going on today, though perhaps above and below their target customer range.

"That is the same answer Adobe gave for multiple undo's in Photoshop before they gave the ability of the histroy/undo's (Pro's don't need multiple undo's. They save a copy of their picture every time they change it)."

Orrrr... pro's migrate to apps other then P/shop... They didn't lower the upgrade price on 7.1 because they were interested in good karma.

"They only problem he had using Vegas was that PC's have more then 1 mouse button for some wierd reason. :) "

Welllll.... When I first took up the piano at age 8, the first lesson learned was that each hand has 5 fingers (hopefully) -> use them. Not that there's anything wrong with playing chopsticks with both index fingers of course - assuming that's all one aspires to.
;?P

thanks...

puptiger81-

I know the Pro version isnt released yet. I was just saying in general that reviews dont hold much water because it gets peoples' heads full of all these great features that never pan out because the system crashes or you dont have the right plugin or your hardware cant handle that feature. As a consumer you spend all this research and time finding a reliable product. Then you plunk down $500 or whatever down just to find out that whatever the reviewer was smokin isnt included with the product.

So nest away if you must!

Kudos, starixiom. I do realize that NLE reviews done by magazines like PC World and the like are the equivalent of reading notes about a girl you like on the walls of a public restroom. I guess I was referring more to the preview reviews. I'm sure that if someone had a review on Vegas Video 5, you and many others would like to read about what the company is TRYING to do differently.

In any case, it appears that I have really screwed up. I just bought the Adobe Digital Video Collection (Premiere 6.5, After Effects 5.5, Photoshop 7.0, and Illustrator 10) a little over a month ago. Then, I found out that Vegas Video 4 is probably a much better option than Premiere. Then, I just found out that Adobe is taking pre-orders for new versions of Premiere and After Effects, and they are introducing a new DVD authoring program and sound editing tool. And the new digital video collection that includes Premiere, AE, Photoshop, Audition, and Encore DVD is $400 cheaper than the older collection I bought. I guess the pie's in my face. Thanks Adobe.

Anyways, if anyone wants to purchase an unused Adobe Digital Video Collection 8.0 (Professional Edition) for fairly cheap, just say so.

Sorry, starixiom, if I sounded defensive. I am just frustrated over this new Adobe news.

Kyle

Cheaply you say? I've got $50 hanging around somewhere. :) A new photoshop and AE would be worth the $50. :)

Sounds good, Happy Friar. That might cover the shipping:)

Kyle

Remember they dropped Photoshop off the basic bundle, so there goes the $400 they knocked off.

Don't feel too badly :-)

Actually, I originally purchased the Professional Video Collection. The one I have includes: Premiere, Photoshop, Illustrator, and After Effects Production Bundle. The new one has: Premiere Pro, Photoshop, After Effects 6.0, Encore DVD, and Audition.

The only thing missing from their new professional bundle is Illustrator, but they include two different programs that would seem to definitely make up the difference.

Who knows if their new software will be any better, though? I do still think I messed up.

Kyle

Since they're finally targeting Windows First, I bet they'll be much better.

Thanks for the knowledge update. I was thinking the DV Basic Bundle. :-)

-puptiger81

I know, i feel your pain. Sometimes i wonder why i spend so much time researching about new hardware/ software products. Then i remember all those past times ATI, Creative, Adobe, and others have burned me with their incompatible products or ineffective workarounds, so that after the product's life cycle they dump support and move onto something bigger and better.

Even some of the "Professional" review sites have let me down. I feel its one giant shell game.

I really hope that Pro does all it says it does. Im willing to change my mind, but past performance always speaks louder than what an expert has to say.

You're right, starixiom. I think hardware and software companies need to work on making their products more stable and more compatible BEFORE they try to throw in all the bells and whistles. I would pay even more money for a stable program. Instead of having all the "visual extravagance" in Windows XP, I would much rather have an operating system that was extremely stable and really took advantage of the power under the hood.

When I was researching for a good NLE, I didn't even look at Vegas Video because most reviewers seemed to pass the program off as too basic or the interface off as too elementary. And I was kinda put off by the fact that SONY was purchasing Sonic foundry. . . I've had very bad luck with SONY. Hopefully SoFo won't change too much.

Thanks for the empathy. I need it.

Kyle

Isn't it wierd that the more money you spend on something the less the company wants to help you with it? I've never found Adobe Premiere user friendly, the manual didn't help, and their forums are difficult to read. At work we spent $850 on the Premiere/RT2500 bundle 2 years ago. Chances are Premeire 7 won't support it because it wil be out dated.

Yet, I go out and buy a copy of Quake 1 back in 96/97 for $50, and still to this very day, I can downloaded updated versions, addons, even copes for OS's (and systems!) that wearn't even out then (you can get it for a palm piolet or pocket PC i believe). And the company (id software) only had to relase 3 updates for the entire time they supported the program, and those were extra features! What a wierd world we live in.

Sadd companies like SF are slowly dwindling down to nothning. Luckly they left us with a program as stable and reliable as DOS was. :)

I was just reading through the various "new" features of Premiere Pro on the Adobe site. Thought I was reading the Vegas 4 manual--even the split-screen color matching! (Except for the audio features which Adobe will never equal.) The more I tinker with demo versions of various NLEs, the more glad I am that I moved up to Vegas4+DVD. Long live SonyFo!

Slighly off-topic: Have you seen the news that Adobe has parted with Apple? Premiere Pro will be XP only, not Mac. Is the famous head of Apple (you-know-who) sounding more and more like Saddam? "We have no software of mass destruction!"

id software also gave away the source code. That is why you can play Quake on so many different OS:s.

Here is the DV Expo Press release on the New Adobe announcements - for those going to the DV Expo that starts tomorrow and check it out post what you think.

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Adobe Systems Inc. will make several major announcements at this week's DV Expo in New York City, including After Effects 6.0, an extensive upgrade of its motion graphics and visual effects software. After Effects 6.0 integrates a new text engine for creating unique and compelling typographic animations. Available for Windows and Mac OS X, Adobe After Effects 6.0 helps professionals meet tough production challenges by increasing productivity with features such as OpenGL support, and other major performance improvements. Additional advances include integrated vector paint, a new motion tracker, keying tools and scripting support.

The new text capabilities in After Effects 6.0 allow users to type, edit, and format text directly in the Composition window, providing immediate results. After Effects users can edit and format text from imported Photoshop files and can animate characters, ranges of characters, words or lines, independently within a single text layer. The advanced text engine allows designers to control the animation of text in new ways, resulting in even more audience-grabbing title sequences.

Performance optimizations including support for OpenGL, a cross-platform standard for accelerating rendering of 2D and 3D graphics, dramatically improve the speed and interactivity of on-screen rendering in After Effects 6.0. In addition to improved multiprocessor support and rendering optimizations, After Effects 6.0 Professional edition provides an extremely fast and accurate motion tracker. New vector paint tools, based on Adobe Photoshop technology, allow professionals to enhance projects by painting on any layer, retouching footage and creating mattes. The Clone Stamp tool allows After Effects users to clone across a sequence of frames over time. After Effects 6.0 Professional edition also includes Keylight, a keying technology from The Foundry.

Adobe After Effects 6.0 comes in two editions, Professional and Standard. After Effects Professional edition is designed for demanding production environments. It combines 2D and 3D compositing, animation and effects tools from the Standard edition with advanced features including: motion tracking and stabilization controls; additional keying tools; over 30 additional effects; and render automation using scripting and 16-bit per channel color support. The After Effects Professional edition also includes several third party plug-ins, including 3D Assistants Lite from Digital Anarchy and Zaxwerks Invigorator Classic. For businesses that don't require these additional features, a Standard edition with the core set of motion graphics and visual effects tools is also available.

Adobe After Effects 6.0 includes tighter integration with Adobe Premiere Pro and Photoshop and is offered as a standalone application or as part of the new Adobe Video Collection announced recently.

Adobe After Effects for Mac OS X 10.2.6, Microsoft Windows 2000 and Windows XP is expected to ship in the U.S. and Canada by the end of August 2003. After Effects 6.0 will be available for a price of $699 for the Standard edition and a price of $999 for the Professional Edition.



Adobe Audition

Adobe will also unveil its Audition software, a complete multi-track recording studio for Windows-based PCs. Previously named Cool Edit Pro 2.1, this product was acquired from Syntrillium Software in May 2003 to address the demanding needs of audio and video professionals in studios, broadcast facilities and post-production houses. Delivering advanced audio mixing, editing, mastering and effects processing capabilities, Adobe Audition is a professional-level audio tool that allows users to edit individual audio files, create loops, import more than 45 DSP effects, and mix up to 128 tracks.Adobe Audition provides a fully-integrated audio editing and mixing solution for music, video, radio, and sound design professionals with integrated multitrack and edit views, real-time effects, looping support, analysis tools, restoration features, and video support. Users benefit from real-time audio effects that allow them to hear changes and track EQ instantaneously. Flexible looping tools and thousands of high-quality royalty-free music loops are included to assist in soundtrack and music creation. The newest addition to Adobe's cast of Digital Video products; Adobe Audition is available as a standalone product or in the new Adobe Video Collection.

The intuitive, customizable interface allows users to dock and resize windows to create an efficient audio workspace. An organizer window uses tabs to track open files, effects and favorites. Batch processing tools streamline everyday tasks, such as matching the overall loudness of multiple files or converting them to a standard file format.

Adobe Audition provides quality audio for video projects by allowing users to edit, mix and add effects to AVI soundtracks while watching movie playback. Providing extensive support for industry-standard audio file formats including WAV, AIFF, MP3, MP3PRO and WMA, Adobe Audition can also handle files with bit depths of up to 32-bit and sample rates in excess of 192kHz. This enables export to tape, CD, DVD or DVD-audio, with the highest-quality sound.

Adobe Audition for Windows 98, 2000 and XP is expected to ship in the U.S. and Canada by the end of August 2003. Adobe Audition will be available for a price of $299.


Premiere Pro

Adobe is also introducing a new version of its Premiere professional video editing tool. Adobe Premiere Pro has been redesigned with powerful, productivity-enhancing features and advanced professional tools including sophisticated color correction, powerful new audio controls and multiple, nested timelines. Optimized for multiple processors and hyper-threading, Adobe Premiere Pro also takes advantage of the speed delivered by the latest generation of Intel Pentium-based systems running Windows XP to provide a render-free editing experience.

With advancements in virtually every area of the product workflow, Adobe Premiere Pro allows professionals to render less and edit more. Premiere editors can customize keyboard shortcuts and workspaces, creating a familiar work environment. Professional features, such as 3-point color correction, YUV video processing, and a powerful audio mixer with 5.1 surround sound mixing and AC3 export, round out the enhancements.

Integrating extensive hardware support and resolution independence, Adobe Premiere Pro supports high-definition (HD) and standard definition (SD) footage. Users can import and export a wide variety of video and audio formats including MPEG2, AVI, WAV and AIFF files. In addition, Adobe Premiere Pro files can be exported in AAF (Advanced Authoring Format), an industry open interchange format, for finishing work in other professional products.

As part of Adobe's Digital Video product family, Adobe Premiere Pro provides integration with the products featured in the Adobe Video Collection, including Adobe Audition, Adobe Encore DVD, Adobe Photoshop and After Effects software. Adobe Premiere Pro and After Effects 6.0 work together to share data, making it easier than ever to work between the two applications. Users can export Adobe Premiere Pro projects as MPEG2 or AVI files with chapter markers, which will be converted into chapter points by Adobe Encore DVD. Photoshop users can also benefit by importing layered PSD files into Adobe Premiere Pro as flattened clips, or as timelines with each layer on a separate track. These integrated features help to create a flexible workflow, saving production time and increasing efficiency.

Adobe Premiere Pro for Windows XP is expected to ship in the U.S. and Canada by the end of August 2003. Adobe Premiere Pro will be available for a price of $699.

My God! Vegas is being re-released next month! Oh? What? It's not Vegas? Oh that's right! it's to expensive for Vegas! :)
(especialy when you include the support phone calls!)

Just a game of catch-up that Adobe's trying to play. Vegas has made a bit of a splash lately with the more professional types -- the latest version has been favorably and widely reviewed.

However, while Adobe play's catch-up, giving their users features they demand ("Hey, Vegas has color-correction -- how come we don't!"), the Sofo team quietly continues to push the envelope behind the scenes. When Vegas 5 comes out the Premiere "Professional" crowd will be crying, "Hey, Vegas has this, that and the other now! How come we don't!"