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mampam wrote on 7/14/2000, 11:35 PM

Hi folks!
I am Chief Engineer for a 3 room professional post house
called SoundWorks in Houston,Texas. We do Radio, TV,
Long-Form Video, and Feature Film work (mostly ADR).
After 10 years as Sonic Solutions users we are looking for a
complete system update and change. I have a few questions
from you real users of Vegas.
1.Is it as capable as systems like ProTools, Sadie,
Fairlight,etc?
2.Does it have Machine Control for outboard equipment, ie.
Beta SP, DA88, Sony PCM76040, etc.?
3.Is it 24 bit capable?
4.How is support?

I don't find the answer to most of the technical questions
on the website, so I would appreciate some real world
opinions.

Thanks so much,
Mark Meyer

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PipelineAudio wrote on 7/15/2000, 5:34 AM

Mark Meyer wrote:
>>Hi folks!
I have a few questions
>>from you real users of Vegas.
>>1.Is it as capable as systems like ProTools, Sadie,
>>Fairlight,etc?

First of all, commercially I do only audio, though me and a friend
are making a BMX Freestyle video, in the back room here, and using
Vegas for it.

Vegas is different than all these DAW systems, because it is hardware
independant. You won't find a turnkey, integrated solution in Vegas.
For me, it was a lot of trouble getting a configuration I could use.
That being said my Protools ][24 system sits idle. I cant get
projects done in the PT system anywhere near as quickly as I can in
Vegas. But there is no Sonic Foundry sync system, no ready made
hardware to connect everything.
What you do get with Vegas is immediacy. If you want to see
results NOW, quicly line up a video clip with a new sound effect, or
render an avi or audio mix to be sent off and checked out, I highly
doubt you could ever beat the ease and speed of Vegas.

>>2.Does it have Machine Control for outboard equipment, ie.
>>Beta SP, DA88, Sony PCM76040, etc.?

Original Vegas had no machine control, but could output midi
sync...As far as I know, this is still the case.

>>3.Is it 24 bit capable?

Yes

>>4.How is support?

You wont find better support from a SOFTWARE company!
I know that isn't saying much, but so far, pretty much, so good.

If I'm wrong on anything, someone let me know

User-9871 wrote on 7/15/2000, 9:38 PM

Hi.

With all due respect to the Chief, I must confess to being very
surprised at the type of question posed by a person who, by his very
own claim, should know much better.
Asking about the difference between stand-alone software like Vegas
and software/hardware systems like the ones he mentions is not only
grossly unfair to Vegas (I can't believe I'm defending Sonic
Foundry!!!), it also reeks of incompetence.
Call me a cynic, but there's something fishy in this post.

Victor.

PS: Had nothing better to do, while watching Lennox Lewis fight...

Mark Meyer wrote:
>>Hi folks!
>> I am Chief Engineer for a 3 room professional post house
>>called SoundWorks in Houston,Texas. We do Radio, TV,
>>Long-Form Video, and Feature Film work (mostly ADR).
>>After 10 years as Sonic Solutions users we are looking for a
>>complete system update and change. I have a few questions
>>from you real users of Vegas.
>>1.Is it as capable as systems like ProTools, Sadie,
>>Fairlight,etc?
>>2.Does it have Machine Control for outboard equipment, ie.
>>Beta SP, DA88, Sony PCM76040, etc.?
>>3.Is it 24 bit capable?
>>4.How is support?
>>
>>I don't find the answer to most of the technical questions
>>on the website, so I would appreciate some real world
>>opinions.
>>
>>Thanks so much,
>>Mark Meyer

JohanAlthoff wrote on 7/16/2000, 9:04 AM

Cynic =P

This must be the Forum Schizophrenia Week, since I'm more or less
agreeing with you, Victor =) Although I don't find any point in
discussing Mark Meyer's competence or lack thereof, I fully agree on
the point that Vegas is a software solution only, and that many "pro"
features are deliberately left untouched in the Vegas line, in favour
of speed, simplicity and versatility.

Vegas isn't Pro Tools, if that's what you're asking, Mark. From my
experience it works best in the digital domain only, meaning outboard
gearing and external hardware integration is a bit tricky (although I
have minimal experience with that very area myself).

I think Aaron put it all rather well out in the characteristics of
Vegas; It's a quick, powerful and extremely priceworthy (not implying
anything about quality here) solution for digital media manipulation.

A little side track: Victor, you mentioned before that the Big Guys
in e.g. full-length movie production probably don't use Pro Tools.
Any idea what they are actually using?

I'm just curious, since maybe one day we might go into full-length
FMV production (i.e. 1-2 hours of rendered animations, complete with
sound tracks, SFX and lip sync), and it's always nice to know the
alternatives for big-scale projects.

Victor Harriman wrote:
>>Hi.
>>
>>With all due respect to the Chief, I must confess to being very
>>surprised at the type of question posed by a person who, by his
very
>>own claim, should know much better.
>>Asking about the difference between stand-alone software like Vegas
>>and software/hardware systems like the ones he mentions is not only
>>grossly unfair to Vegas (I can't believe I'm defending Sonic
>>Foundry!!!), it also reeks of incompetence.
>>Call me a cynic, but there's something fishy in this post.
>>
>>Victor.
>>
>>PS: Had nothing better to do, while watching Lennox Lewis fight...
>>
>>
>>
>>Mark Meyer wrote:
>>>>Hi folks!
>>>> I am Chief Engineer for a 3 room professional post house
>>>>called SoundWorks in Houston,Texas. We do Radio, TV,
>>>>Long-Form Video, and Feature Film work (mostly ADR).
>>>>After 10 years as Sonic Solutions users we are looking for a
>>>>complete system update and change. I have a few questions
>>>>from you real users of Vegas.
>>>>1.Is it as capable as systems like ProTools, Sadie,
>>>>Fairlight,etc?
>>>>2.Does it have Machine Control for outboard equipment, ie.
>>>>Beta SP, DA88, Sony PCM76040, etc.?
>>>>3.Is it 24 bit capable?
>>>>4.How is support?
>>>>
>>>>I don't find the answer to most of the technical questions
>>>>on the website, so I would appreciate some real world
>>>>opinions.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks so much,
>>>>Mark Meyer

User-9871 wrote on 7/16/2000, 9:34 AM

Johan:
My post said that movie soundtracks are not being recorded and mixed
with Nuendo. I didn't say ProTools, because MANY soundtracks are,
indeed, being done on ProTools systems. I think there was a confusion
on your part.
Other systems include Otari Radar, Sony, Fairlight, etc., and most of
the time include the expensive mix (recorder/BIG console/outboard
gear, etc.)of equipment traditionally found in high-end studios.

Hollywood hasn't entered the "personal studio revolution".

sincerely,

Victor.

PS: This is exactly the point of my topic: Given Mark's position and
experience, he SHOULD know these things. Don't you agree?

Johan Althoff wrote:
>>Cynic =P
>>
>>This must be the Forum Schizophrenia Week, since I'm more or less
>>agreeing with you, Victor =) Although I don't find any point in
>>discussing Mark Meyer's competence or lack thereof, I fully agree on
>>the point that Vegas is a software solution only, and that many
"pro"
>>features are deliberately left untouched in the Vegas line, in
favour
>>of speed, simplicity and versatility.
>>
>>Vegas isn't Pro Tools, if that's what you're asking, Mark. From my
>>experience it works best in the digital domain only, meaning
outboard
>>gearing and external hardware integration is a bit tricky (although
I
>>have minimal experience with that very area myself).
>>
>>I think Aaron put it all rather well out in the characteristics of
>>Vegas; It's a quick, powerful and extremely priceworthy (not
implying
>>anything about quality here) solution for digital media
manipulation.
>>
>>A little side track: Victor, you mentioned before that the Big Guys
>>in e.g. full-length movie production probably don't use Pro Tools.
>>Any idea what they are actually using?
>>
>>I'm just curious, since maybe one day we might go into full-length
>>FMV production (i.e. 1-2 hours of rendered animations, complete with
>>sound tracks, SFX and lip sync), and it's always nice to know the
>>alternatives for big-scale projects.
>>
>>Victor Harriman wrote:
>>>>Hi.
>>>>
>>>>With all due respect to the Chief, I must confess to being very
>>>>surprised at the type of question posed by a person who, by his
>>very
>>>>own claim, should know much better.
>>>>Asking about the difference between stand-alone software like
Vegas
>>>>and software/hardware systems like the ones he mentions is not
only
>>>>grossly unfair to Vegas (I can't believe I'm defending Sonic
>>>>Foundry!!!), it also reeks of incompetence.
>>>>Call me a cynic, but there's something fishy in this post.
>>>>
>>>>Victor.
>>>>
>>>>PS: Had nothing better to do, while watching Lennox Lewis fight...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mark Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>Hi folks!
>>>>>> I am Chief Engineer for a 3 room professional post house
>>>>>>called SoundWorks in Houston,Texas. We do Radio, TV,
>>>>>>Long-Form Video, and Feature Film work (mostly ADR).
>>>>>>After 10 years as Sonic Solutions users we are looking for a
>>>>>>complete system update and change. I have a few questions
>>>>>>from you real users of Vegas.
>>>>>>1.Is it as capable as systems like ProTools, Sadie,
>>>>>>Fairlight,etc?
>>>>>>2.Does it have Machine Control for outboard equipment, ie.
>>>>>>Beta SP, DA88, Sony PCM76040, etc.?
>>>>>>3.Is it 24 bit capable?
>>>>>>4.How is support?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't find the answer to most of the technical questions
>>>>>>on the website, so I would appreciate some real world
>>>>>>opinions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks so much,
>>>>>>Mark Meyer