Are you expecting VP community may provide any feedback on this?

No, maybe you have to learn the difference between updates and upgrades.
The upgrades to Vegas 17 had a lot of better and faster export possibilities unless you don't have the hardware to use them!

@KaraUSA

Not sure what you're talking about. Version 17 has been out for quite a while.

See this.

Vegas 17 - Feature-Highlights at a glance

• NEW: Nested Timelines
• NEW: Complete HDR Color Support
• NEW: Optical-Flow Slow Motion
• NEW: GPU accelerated decoding for AVC/HEVC
• NEW: Planar Motion Tracking
• NEW: LUT Export
• NEW: Warp Flow Transition
• NEW: Smart Split Edit
• NEW: Support for 8K Files
• NEW: Boris FX Continuum Unit effect packages

Not to mention the new color grading panel, optical flow slow motion, HLG support, GPU accelerated HDR processing, etc. 17 added a ton of new features. It is very unusual for anyone to offer big feature updates to existing software versions, it does not make business sense and nobody wants to see features added to 17 when there's still some bugs to squash. They do add a few new features here and there, for instance, the most recent update included:

Trials of VEGAS POST

Auto-update mechanism for VEGAS POST

HDR-specific Intel QSV templates for HEVC renders

Option to select color histogram for White Balance tools

Render template for 360 5.7k projects

Webcam video capture is now available in the VEGAS Capture utility

Mouse cursor capture is now available in the VEGAS Capture utility

But the major feature additions, like Dolby Atmos (which will likely require them to pay an expensive Dolby license fee) aren't going to be added post-release to an already-released version. It makes better sense to save that sort of thing for a new version of Vegas.

Aside from supporting the export of surround formats above 5.1, Vegas' audio features are also still miles ahead of the competition, even though they do need some love in the near future to keep it that way (Give us full 64 bit VST3 support, VCS!))

You made this post about wanting "updates for version 17 with big new features, such as for video export, new video codecs and many other new features" And what response are you actually waiting for ivan-f ?.....

It is very unusual for anyone to offer big feature updates to existing software versions, it does not make business sense and nobody wants to see features added to 17 when there's still some bugs to squash.

Squashing known bugs should always be a priority regardless of where you are in a development cycle.

However, I just wanted to make some comments and my personal observations in regards to adding big feature to updates in regards to "business sense". What you outlined is what we have become accustom to expecting from the corporate business model in that for them it seems to make business sense.

I use to think this same way by just accepting that same expectation, but then came along a developer by the name of Justin Frankel who broke away from that corporate business model and started developing Reaper. I must say, watching that different business model of development has been refreshing as well as enlightening. Justin's business model has been to add new features as early as possible to update releases, that way he is getting immediate feedback from the existing customers as early as possible, so those features are being evaluated by many and then immediately enhanced based on user feedback. As well bugs are being identified much earlier and squashed as quickly as possible by leveraging the use of a much larger user testing audience. The existing customers are thrilled to see the new features and be able to use them for no additional charge. The end result is that he has now established a large and loyal following to his product and certain features not being present which may be keeping new customers away, are drawn them in when they do get added. They are not having to wait years between major release cycles to see those new features.

At this point and looking at the results, Reaper is now a competitive offering product to Acid Pro while Acid Pro's development started way before Reaper's ever existed. Go on Magix's Acid Pro forum and you'll witness there is very little activity going on aside from what seems like a lot of grumblings, while if you go on the Reaper user forums, you will witness much larger community activities and involvement going on with users much more passionate about the product and feel like they're part of the development team. There was a time when the view was that Reaper was years behind Acid Pro's capabilities but now the roles have been completely reversed.

Reaper has introduced video editing capabilities in their more recent releases. At this point, everyone's view is that Vegas seems like it is years ahead of Reaper's video editing capabilities but again let me remind you, it wasn't that long ago in which those same type of observations where being made in comparison to Acid Pro's music production and creation capability feature set in comparison to Reaper's and we're now at the point where no one is going to even debate that Reaper has surpassed Acid Pro's capabilities and has a much larger user base than Acid since Acid got stuck in the corporate mud business model that we've just all grown to accept.

Justin was a Vegas user and got tired of seeing the app he was using being stuck in that corporate mud and had the skills and knowledge to do something about it and we are now seeing the fruits of his efforts blossoming. The user base and forum activity on the Reaper forums far exceed the activity that is currently going on here at the Vegas and Acid forums.

So my question to you in regards to your original comment, is the Magix way of development what really makes business sense? Or is it just the business model we've grown to accept and expect from all the corporate developers, so they can provide you 10+ bullet point feature items driven by the desire of the corporate sales and marketing teams to be able to entice you into purchasing a new update?

I'm not trying to create an argument or debate with you. I just think we need to be open to the fact that there are other business models out there that work and may actually work better than what we've grown to accept and that the OP may be coming from a different background experience and has a different perspective from observing these different business models and he shouldn't be criticized for expecting to see them from Magix.

Reaper has ONLY 2 s/w developers working on it. There is Justin and there is Schwa. It is truly amazing watching that development business model and by just looking at the end results, we see a product which is much more efficient, stable, has less bugs and works better than Magix's competitive offerings and cost less to boot.

Oh and BTW, Reaper has VST3 plugin support and Acid Pro has buggy VST3 support ....and Vegas doesn't even have it.

Reaper out of the box is nowhere near even Acid (definitely nowhere near Cubase or any of those), you have to install a ton of plugins to make it a functional DAW, and then it takes a ton of configuration to make it all work right. I know, I've been using Reaper as my primary DAW for years now. It's a great system, but there are a lot of areas where it is very obvious that not much development gets put into simple things like ensuring a smooth user experience right out of the gate. It's also essentially freeware if you don't mind getting annoyed by a popup when you start it... a semi-volunteer project that doesn't make anywhere near as much money as would be needed to fund the development of a fully featured video editing app and DAW like Vegas.

2 people are able to develop reaper because they only develop the core software itself (which is quite limited from a pro DAW perspective) and rely on you installing plugins developed by other people (some of which work better than others) to get the functionality you need.

What Vegas has to do is infinitely more complex than what Reaper is doing. Motion analysis, encoding, decoding, GPU support (which constantly breaks as the GPU manufacturers mess with their drivers, so you've got to be ready to respond to it when they do), etc... it will be a long time before 2 people can get Reaper anywhere near what Vegas is. If they tried, it would likely be the same approach they're taking to audio, giving only the basic cutting and encoding features and relying on the community to develop plugins to make it work as it should.

As for tech support, only 2 people on the team, so if the forum can't help you, chances are you are S.O.L.

That's your perspective and I would say it's a very inaccurate one at that, especially if you base it on the vast difference of the amount of users on their respective forums.

Why do I see the same 10-15 users contributing on this Vegas forum, but if I go over to the Reaper forums there's hundreds if not thousands of regular contributors assisting each other? It's the good ole boys club here on the Vegas forum, where it's a large community on the Reaper forums

The same thing you say about users creating plugins for short-comings is also B.S. That would like be the same as saying if not for individuals like wwaag developing happy otter then Vegas would be completely useless by itself. The only difference in this scenarios is that instead of 1 or 2 developers contributing to Vegas expanded/enhanced functionality you have 10-20 doing it for Reaper.

Don't try to act like you even use Reaper. You should be embarrassed by even making those type of comments, because it sounds more like you installed Reaper, starred at it for 15 minutes and closed it out. But if you really want to stand behind your comments, then do me a favor by heading over to the Reaper forums, where I dare you to make those exact same comments about Reaper, where I would really enjoy seeing the users who are much more familiar with the application inform you how incorrect you are with your inaccurate assessments. That would be highly entertaining to me.

Possible to continue this in private with each other ?????????
Please, it adds nothing to the program and other users 😏

No, maybe you have to learn the difference between updates and upgrades.
The upgrades to Vegas 17 had a lot of better and faster export possibilities unless you don't have the hardware to use them!

How did this statement from you contribute to the OP? I just added into the conversation of a different business model perspective. We are not allowed to provide different perspectives to consider than those from the good ole boys club perspective, while the good ole boys club are busy criticizing the OP? Did I just walk into the communist Vegas forum group discussion by mistake?

Best you check yourself.

I've been using reaper for years, and yes, in order to get it to do anything near what I was already doing with Cubase out of the box, I had to extensively modify it from its base version. Everything down to the UI had to be customized before it was as functional as what I felt I had with Cubase. Once I got everything going, it worked well enough for me to get rid of Cubase, and it even let me do things cubase would not, like custom icons I could make to identify the tracks (such as a bass guitar icon to put on bass tracks, etc), so I'm definitely not bashing it. If you want to start fanboy wars about Vegas vs. Reaper, you can take that over to their forums, we don't do that here.

Vegas Pro is intended to be professional software, I don't care how big the forums are, pro software means you get support with that software, not having to reach out to a forum and hope they can fix your issue. No television studio is going to want to trust that a forum can help them solve issues to get a production back on track when a bug pops up, I definitely would not want Vegas to strip its team down to nothing and rely on the community to do everything either. Not to mention, especially with video, there's licensing issues that come into play for the various codecs used, apps like Vegas Effects, Vegas Stream, Vegas Image, etc... that does not work for the bare bones, little profit business model Reaper uses.

I wish Reaper all the success in the world in trying to become a competent video editing app that can come anywhere close to what Vegas currently is, but until then, I'll believe it when I see it.

Also, best check yourself... Adhere to the community standards. You can express opinions all you want, but you must be respectful with your discussion.

I've been using reaper for years, and yes, in order to get it to do anything near what I was already doing with Cubase out of the box, I had to extensively modify it from its base version. Everything down to the UI had to be customized before it was as functional as what I felt I had with Cubase. Once I got everything going, it worked well enough for me to get rid of Cubase, and it even let me do things cubase would not, like custom icons I could make to identify the tracks (such as a bass guitar icon to put on bass tracks, etc), so I'm definitely not bashing it. If you want to start fanboy wars about Vegas vs. Reaper, you can take that over to their forums, we don't do that here.

Vegas Pro is intended to be professional software, I don't care how big the forums are, pro software means you get support with that software, not having to reach out to a forum and hope they can fix your issue. No television studio is going to want to trust that a forum can help them solve issues to get a production back on track when a bug pops up, I definitely would not want Vegas to strip its team down to nothing and rely on the community to do everything either. Not to mention, especially with video, there's licensing issues that come into play for the various codecs used, apps like Vegas Effects, Vegas Stream, Vegas Image, etc... that does not work for the bare bones, little profit business model Reaper uses.

I wish Reaper all the success in the world in trying to become a competent video editing app that can come anywhere close to what Vegas currently is, but until then, I'll believe it when I see it.

Also, best check yourself... Adhere to the community standards. You can express opinions all you want, but you must be respectful with your discussion.

Unfortunately, you turned what I wrote into a Vegas vs. Reaper discussion and into an argument like you often do. If you want to argue of who is right and who is wrong, then I'm not interested in entertaining that since I'm not here for that type of nonsense. I posted to have a discussion and contribute to that discussion. What you turned this intended discussion into had nothing to do with the intent of my post. The intent was to show that there are different business models and that people come from different background experiences and therefore have different perspectives with different expectations and to criticize those individuals and attempt to make them out to be dumb for even having that type of expectation without even making an effort to understand their perspective 1st is just a closed minded way of thinking and does not invite others to even want to contribute. I just used Reaper as one example, and you chose to focus on the example instead of the intent of the message.

So should I use other examples instead of Reaper? How about Apple? I have an an older iPhone 7 before Apple CarPlay existed, yet my iPhone 7 received iOS updates which later added Apple Carplay functionality. No charge. It was done so their future and existing products remained relevant and competitive and their customers remained enthusiastic about a product they purchased instead of feeling it was already out of date when they just purchased it less than 1 year ago.

How about Microsoft? I purchased Windows 10 Pro. Just this last week I ran into a scenario where I wanted a "Sand box" to try out a piece of software and didn't want to install that software into my system until I had a chance to try it out to see what it did and ensure it didn't install any bloatware . So I turn to Google to see what type of software I would need to set up a sand box on my PC. Low and behold, Microsoft released a Sand box feature update with their Win 10 1907 update. I didn't need to install any additional software, the feature I was looking for was now already built into Windows 10 Pro and all I needed to do was enable that feature on my current setup. What a pleasant surprise, it made me appreciate my purchase of getting the "Pro" version of Win10 because it was not available for the lower cost home version.

Do I need to go into further examples with my Android phone as well, or are you going to go into further debates to argue those particular examples? Unless, you've been living in a cave or spending way too much time on the Vegas forums to be able to see what is going on in the world around you in software development, then you would be able to notice that the point the OP has raised is actually a very valid point and it is not limited to a particular "business model" like you described. It just means you have not looked around you and observed what the other business models are doing and seem to be doing very well and prospering at the same time.

Maybe one day you can attempt to open your mind and try to participate in a discussion, instead of turning everything into a argument and trying to come across as being smart while putting others down like they are dumb for having different perspectives.