Now I am really screwed up

monkeybusiness wrote on 2/20/2003, 7:35 PM
I created my video streams using the NTSC DVD A template in VV and it STILL wants to recompress the video. I encoded the audio to 5.1 uing Soft Encode and it will not recognize that either. To top it all off it says that my project is 22.2 GB when you look at it and it is not over 4 GB's. Does anyone have any idea what could possibly be going on?

Regards

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SonyTSW wrote on 2/20/2003, 9:52 PM
Try using File | Optimize DVD to see what project settings or media files you have that might be causing your problem.

Also download the DVD Architect PDF manual and have a look at page 15 which lists the specific file format settings so that recompression is not required.
melomano wrote on 2/20/2003, 10:59 PM
Hi

I've come across something similar:

I used the PAL DVDA template in VV, of which I only changed the bitrate from the 224 to 384; DVDA does not recognise the soundtrack imbedded in the mpg file, (it says it will recode it to PCM) saying the 4.20 GB file (this value was obtaiuned through byte conversion to GB, so there's not error in it) will go over 4.8 GB when burning(thus 118% of the 4.7 GB limit), making the burn impossible without recompression, which I most definitely do not want.
This has happened in all files which I rendered in VV4 using the PAL DVD template, the size DVDA gives me is bigger than the actual size (thus taking the file over the size limit) and in all cases DVDA states that the audio will be recompressed, not recognizing it as already rendered.
doboyd wrote on 2/21/2003, 12:34 AM
I read the manual as suggested, and I'm now confused. It says that Vegas has templates, if left as is, will produce files that will not need recompression, but also says that mpeg 2, PCM or AC3 are the correct formats, and list parameters in detail. Does this mean that the file must be encoded using the DVD templates, or encoded as DVD mpeg 2 video but with AC3 or PCM audio?? How is this done when no options are available under the DVD templates??? Am I missing som thing, it implies we must encode video and audio seperatly, but mux together for import to DVDA? I'm confused, will the DVD default template suffice, my only project so far encoded in VV4 has enough room luckily as the optimisation says it needs to encode my audio to PCM.
monkeybusiness wrote on 2/21/2003, 5:54 AM
I am also confused! It seems that ONE AC3 file that is exactly 18 second long is being sized as 15 GB. What in the world is going on? I used the same EXACT method and it will accept (as least I think it will) the AC3 file with the movie but for some reason the menu audio is WAY OFF. What gives?

Regards
monkeybusiness wrote on 2/21/2003, 5:59 AM
Also I have found out that my video and my menu are exactly the same yet it wants to recompress the menu movie and the regular movie clip is just fine. Both audio/video are in the SAME EXACT format with the EXACT same settings but yet some are compliant and do not need recompression while others (within the same project) do?

Regards
SonySDB wrote on 2/21/2003, 7:58 AM
If you want your audio not to be re-encoded, you have to render the audio separately as AC-3 or uncompressed WAV (i.e. PCM).

PCM audio will take up more space then MPEG audio, so the estimated size of 4.8 GB is correct. You can reduce the size by going to the Optimize DVD dialog (File | Optimize DVD...) and changing the audio format to AC-3.
fockerdvds wrote on 2/21/2003, 11:41 AM
I also have been seeing a problem with the files and the way it accepts them....I also have 2 audio and video files that are exactly alike and 2 of them are accepted but the other 2 are not and get re-rendered......has anyone else experienced this? If there are 2 people that are then there has got to be more.

Thanks,
Cale
melomano wrote on 2/21/2003, 2:55 PM
Hi SonicSDB

So whats the advantage of using the VV4 DVD PAL template, which renders a single file with audio and video combined, if you have to rerender the audio part of it in DVDA (or VV4, I suppose) to PCM or AC-3?
I imagined that such a template, albeit with its limitations of bitrate and such, would produce a file ready to be accepted by DVDA for burning, making it possible to produce a readu«y to burn file in a single rendering operation; if if still needs to ferender the audio, why not render as a PAL video only stream and them an audio PCM or AC-3 stream in the first place? that makes that - the VV4 DVA PAL - template redundant.
SonySDB wrote on 2/21/2003, 3:24 PM
There is no single render operation in VV that will create both a video and audio streams that will not require recompression by DVD-A.

It's recommended that you render the audio and video separately. For video, render as MPEG-2 using the "DVD Architect PAL video stream" (or "DVD Architect NTSC video stream") template. For audio, render as "Wave (Microsoft)" using the "48,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, PCM" template; or render as AC-3 using the "Stereo DVD" or "5.1 Surround DVD" template.

Alternatively, you can render as AVI from VV and have DVD-A render the DVD compliant video and audio when preparing the DVD.