NTSC file saved as PAL ?!? (solved)

MHampton wrote on 3/27/2003, 8:41 PM
Ok, I'm not sure how this happened, but I have an avi file that I captured that now things that it is a PAL avi file instead of NTSC. Needless to say, that means that it is all scrambled when I load it into vegas 4. I captured it with the vegas 4 capture utility.

Is there a header or something that I can hack to tell this file that is is 29.97fps NTSC instead of 24fps PAL? I'd rather not capture it again since I'll have to borrow that camera. Mine didn't like this tape.

Thanks
Michael

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Chienworks wrote on 3/27/2003, 9:04 PM
Try right-mouse-button-clicking on the clip and bringing up the properties screen. You should be able to choose what format you want Vegas to interpret as.
MHampton wrote on 3/27/2003, 9:45 PM
Nope. The frame-rate is grayed out and won't let me change it. Here is what is showed when I display the properties from explorer window inside VV4...

General
Name: DT Night 2-Church - Clip 002.avi
Folder: H:\My Movies\DinnerTheater2002
Type: Video for Windows
Size: 24.06 GB (24,639,683,072 bytes)
Created: Monday, March 24, 2003, 5:11:05 PM
Modified: Monday, March 24, 2003, 6:42:50 PM
Accessed: Thursday, March 27, 2003, 9:38:00 PM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 01:49:48.680, 25.000 fps, 720x576x24, DV
Audio: 01:49:48.750, 32,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, Uncompressed

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The Video is wrong. If I can just hack the header (maybe?) I would think it would be read right. I could be wrong though. ;)
MHampton wrote on 3/27/2003, 10:53 PM
Ok, this is strange. I can load the file into the VV4 capture program as if I were going to print to tape and the video looks ok there, but when I hit play, the audio has obviously been slowed down to the 24fps speed. How do this happen??? Very strange.

Michael
Spot|DSE wrote on 3/27/2003, 11:05 PM
You must have set some render settings, but PAL video will open fine in an NTSC project, you just won't have external previews. Spending 3 weeks in Singapore, Korea, and Australia, I learned a LOT about PAL. And since Vegas is format agnostic, you must have some other weirdness going on. Will the file play in Media Player?
Load back into Vegas, but first switch the project settings to PAL DV and see if that plays the file correctly. If you've rendered it as pal, it should. PAL plays at 25.00 fps, so if you are seeing that it's playing at 24, you must have somehow done something unique to the project or render settings.
frank_jarle wrote on 3/28/2003, 8:24 AM
i have to jump into this thread. Im quite new to video editing, so im really blur when it comes to PAL and NTSC.

Im living here in Singapore and i just bought the JVC GR-DVL320A DV camera, i really like it, i think it do great shots.

When i edit in Vegas, should i capture the DV files as PAL ot NTSC (or maybe i cant choose?)?

As i dont have any analogue out, nor do i have a VCR, i have to bring the finish edited video file back to tape (print to tape) and then send it to some place to convert it to a normal VHS-tape, for example Treasure Production(?) (if possible of course).

As my parents lives in Norway, and also where i intend to send the VHS, can anyone tell me what is the steps i should do?
Am i suppose to print to tape in NTSC or PAL. And also is it some convertion i have to do from either one to the other one?

Thanks for all tips how to handle all this.

Sincerely
Frank Jarle
Singapore (Norwegian fellow).

Typo
MHampton wrote on 3/28/2003, 9:56 AM
Well, here's what I'm seeing. When I load the file in VV4, the video is scrambled and the time length is elongated. When I load the file in VV4-Capture utility, I can see the video and even play it, but the audio is obviously slowed down. It's seems like this actually IS an NTSC file, but somehow it's header got changed so everything identifies it as PAL. Even under the XP explorer properties, it says that the clip is PAL.
I guess I'll just end up having to recapture it. This is very strange. I dont' have ANY PAL equipment and I captured it directly after capturing another tape with the same settings/equipment.

Must be gremlins. :)
Michael
MHampton wrote on 4/1/2003, 6:59 AM
Apparently here is what happened. It happened to me again last night with another tape.

At the very beginning of a scene, there was a small "glitch" while the tape synched up and stabilized. I'm thinking it was that glitch that confused the capture program. The second time I captured, I started playing the tape and then started capturing as soon as it passed the glitch and everything was captured fine.

Maybe the error checking needs to be tightned down a bit? Dont' know. But at least I know what to look for in the future. So far this has only happned when using my church's Canon XL to capture with. It hasn't happened with my Canon OpturaPI.

Interesting...

Michael