Off Topic: Use XP, drives get excessively fragemented?

BillyBoy wrote on 5/13/2002, 5:13 PM
While the "System Restore" features of Windows XP can come in handy it also will eat up tons of disk space (it duplicates files like crazy) It also has a bad habit of causing excessive fragmentation of your hard drives which of course can cause dropped frames during capture, even print to tape problems and in general slows down your system.

If or not you want to give up the ability to be able to recover and return your system to a previous state requires some thought. If you can live without this feature (I do) then it is a simple matter to do away with it. You can restore the feature easily without reinstalling windows.

To check out, if you use XP, just click on start, Help and Support, enter "system restore" under Search and follow the prompts in the right window pane.

REMEMBER if you do give up this feature you will not be able to recover so easily if something nasty happens.

Comments

vonhosen wrote on 5/13/2002, 6:14 PM
Unless you use Drive Image or Ghost !
Control_Z wrote on 5/13/2002, 6:58 PM
You can set SR to use any amount of disk space you want. I have mine set to the default of 12% which is the max setting but hardly a 'ton' of space. If I ever manage to fill my drives up to near that point I'll probably just buy a new drive anyway.
Chienworks wrote on 5/13/2002, 9:06 PM
I have to chime in again on this one. Fragmentation really isn't that big a problem with modern computers and hard drives. Even an excessively fragmented drive can still read and write data much faster than a DV data stream. If you're having problems with dropped frames, it's much more likely due to something else running in the background than to drive fragmentation. I've gone 6 months on my 866P3 computer without defragmenting, had the allocation tables look like swiss cheese, and still captured hours worth of DV without dropping frames.
BillyBoy wrote on 5/13/2002, 10:17 PM
Drive Image and Ghost, similar third party applications are intended mainly for system restore and backup in case of a major disaster. Both are clumsy and time consuming to setup and maintain while the built in 'system restore' part of the XP operating system works seemlessly in the background. However, like a lot of Microsoft services, slow, ill mannered and prone to not work as much as it does work which is the main reason I gave it the heave-ho.

While a severely fragemented drive can work reasonablly well, it won't work as well as it is designed to. Every time the system has to search for file fragements, what it has to do when files aren't contiguous, you are causing the drive head mechanism a lot of grief and making it jump all over the place which for sure will make your drive die an early death. Sorry, I freak if I see any of my drives more than 2-3% fragemented and for system restore to cause fragemenation upwards of 80-90% is totally ridicilious to say nothing of the drive space wasted.
DataMeister wrote on 5/14/2002, 1:38 AM
I'm curious whether your running thin on free space with your Windows XP. And how much RAM do you have? I'm using XP Professional and don't often see fragmentation as high at 20%. Maybe something besides Windows XP is the culprit.

JBJones
Cheesehole wrote on 5/14/2002, 1:44 AM
>>>Sorry, I freak if I see any of my drives more than 2-3% fragemented

no need to freak. I go 3-4 months without even thinking about defragging. the only drives that have died on me have died in the first year of operation, probably due to a defect or in a couple cases extreme temperature changes.

maybe in the lab it makes a difference to drive life, but that's kind of like when deciding whether to overclock or not. it might shorten the life of the CPU from 10 years to 5 years, but in 5 years my CPU will be worth less than a dead rat in a tampon factory.
inspector wrote on 5/14/2002, 8:30 AM
I don't use XP but have used Ghost extensively at work and at home. I ghost and image of drive C: to another drive on the system and/or to CDR. Restores from hard drive to hard drive take about 12 minutes. The only setup required for Ghost is to put the executable on a boot floppy. To back up to CDR the appropriate drives need to be on the floppy as well. To remain current I just create an new image as needed then delete the old one. At work I support about 900 workstations and 85 servers and have never seen an error restoring a system from a image that was not due to a problem at the physical level. Just my experience...yours may vary.

I also defrag on a regular basis as I have a hard time with leaving a drive in a less than optimal state. I keep my computer system very orderly but everything else...forget about it.

respectfully,

Steve
Caruso wrote on 5/15/2002, 4:10 AM
I'd like to echo ControlZ's comment. You can restrict the amount of space SR can hog by limiting the amount of space your system allocates to its storage requirements.

Additionally, it only images system settings/and ap files, not data files. If you restore to a point prior to your installation of, say, Pagemaker, the restored version of your system will exclude the Pagemaker application, but not any files you created using the application. If you re-install the application, you'll be able to access those previously created files.

We each, of course, have valid reasons for preferring our personal system configurations, but, for my money, SR is one of the more valuable features of XP/ME. It makes me much less weary of trying new applications.

My 2-cents.

Caruso