Oh... the dreaded work-arounds!

blink3times wrote on 3/7/2009, 5:43 PM
Since I got my SR11 I've been working to pull together SOME kind of workflow. Gawd... it was Soooo easy with HDV!

I've got the video side of things pretty much worked out.... but now the audio. The SR11 puts out 5.1 surround sound, but Vegas has a bit of a bug when importing 5.1 MTS files (in both 8c and 8.1) and that is that the LFE track is flat lined when importing.

I know the lfe track exists because I can see it if I import the 5.1 to Adobe Audition. So my idea was to demux the ac3, bring it into Adobe and then export the lfe as a wav so I can import to vegas. The problem with this idea is of course... AGAIN the avchd. The cam does not record as one entire entity like tape does. Each scene is recorded as one clip so you may have 1000 clips when you import from the cam. It's WAY TOO time consuming to even THINK about demuxing 1000 individual clips, so I guess what I need now is some kind of joiner program that can join MTS clips to one file without recompressing. TSmuxer will do this but the a/v syncing is always off.

I'm open to ANY ideas that one may have!

Comments

farss wrote on 3/7/2009, 6:01 PM
"I'm open to ANY ideas that one may have! "

Is there anything in the LFE channel even worth worrying about?

Bob.
blink3times wrote on 3/7/2009, 6:10 PM
To be honest with you Bob.... no. In fact if I really miss it that much then I could probably pretty much replicate it with some mixing and some low pass filters.

But this whole thing is very much like buying a tricycle and then riding it on 2 wheels... it's just not complete. I would much rather see if there is some way of rescuing the original track.
ShawnLaraSteele wrote on 3/7/2009, 7:16 PM
I assumed the track was just blank. You're saying there's something there? That seems a bit wierd.
blink3times wrote on 3/7/2009, 8:25 PM
Yup... the lfe track shows up... but it shows up blank. Sony is aware of the bug and they say it will be corrected in the next set of bug fixes, but until then.....
farss wrote on 3/7/2009, 8:56 PM
There does seem to be some confusion about that LFE channel. My understanding was that it's supposed to be what it says "Low Frequency Effects". So unless you're shooting car crashes or A bomb tests there shouldn't be anything in it, in fact as far as I'm aware those who record 5.1 on location ignore it.

BUT! Then again that's what I thought and lately the game does seem to have changed. The front two speakers were supposed to be full bandwidth with the sub simply for effects but many lower end systems use the sub to fill in the bottom end lacking from the cheap front speakers L&R speakers.

Maybe in these cameras they're doing the some kind of trick as it's impossible to build a mic that's directional at low frequencies so they have one mic for the LF stuff and that goes to the LFE channel. If that's the case you might indeed want it.

Bob.
blink3times wrote on 3/8/2009, 7:04 AM
Oh... I'm SURE it is a trick. These cams are not recording a LFE track... they're GENERATING it.

How a subwoofer system works is COMPLETELY up to you and how you set it up. The subwoofer channel is not like other channels in that each track is fed to each corresponding channel (ie: left front track to left front channel... right front track to right front channel.....). Low frequencies are cut off from ALL channels and routed to the subwoofer.... including the lfe track.... so you can get bass through the subwoofer even without a lfe channel.

As you say...the subwoofer is used mostly to keep the front and surround speakers small in size. But if you choose, you can have large full range front/surround/center speakers and go without a subwoofer. The sound will be the same (depending of course on the quality of your speakers). The lfe track simply will come through your full range speakers.

Is the LFE track needed? No. The other channels are quite capable of carrying the full range, and your system is quite capable of cutting off those low frequencies and sending to the appropriate place (depending if you have a subwoofer or full range speakers)...............

BUT...............the SR11 DOES in fact generate a LFE track........................ and I want it.............. because it's mine.............and I'm entitled to it! :)
farss wrote on 3/8/2009, 8:19 AM
I hope you get what you're after.
I've been waiting since I bought V4 for them to fix Vidcap so I can use it to capture footage from the now obsolete PDX10. It's the only camera ever built that flags it's audio as dual mono and so Vidcap doesn't work with it.
I guess as my client has stopped using his PDX10 the issue is now "resolved"

Bob.