OK, inter-track question....

kdenninger wrote on 11/3/2003, 6:33 PM
Ok, here's the next one.

It was pointed out on another board that one potentially serious problem with VV's effects and grouping can come about when you "fix" a track.

Here's an example:

I take a video track that has a "bad frame" in it (a flash exposure that shouldn't have been there, etc). I "fix it", either by doing a frame replacement or split-and-stretch.

OK, now I want to "knit" the pieces I made back together, so that if I drop an effect on some part of the original clip, it carries through all the pieces that WERE once a single clip.

"Grouping" seems to do this, but it doesn't work as expected.

How can you make that orignal clip look like a logical whole once again?

Or can you?

Comments

PeterWright wrote on 11/3/2003, 6:49 PM
If you apply an Effect to a clip in the Media Pool, it will apply to all events made from that clip in the timeline.
kdenninger wrote on 11/3/2003, 6:54 PM
That's cute. Its not quite what I'm looking for, but its definitely cute and might do the job for some cases.

There's no way to group clip segments and pieces on a track together though so that effects applied go to the group however?
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/3/2003, 6:54 PM
You can also copy the clip that looks 'right', then control click all other clips that were stripped out, and then paste attributes.
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/3/2003, 6:57 PM
No. Vegas can't keep multiple groupings happening. This is one feature request that folks have asked for.
You could put all media from a 'bad' series of clips on it's own track and apply the filters at the track level rather than trying to do it clip by clip. I've done this in some cases where I've had single shot projects that had 'bad' media in them. I have a standard timeline of a few tracks, and then a track of 'bad' media that all repairs are assigned to at the track level.
PeterWright wrote on 11/3/2003, 7:04 PM
You could render the collection of pieces that make up the group as a single avi then apply FX to that.

Other possibilities - the segments can be highlighted together (Hold Ctrl while you click on each) then an FX dropped on one will apply to all.

Another way - apply the effect to one segment. Ctrl C then right click paste attributes to the other segments - again if you first highlight them all, the attributes will be pasted to all.
kdenninger wrote on 11/3/2003, 9:56 PM
Yes, but the problem with all those possibilities (except for rendering it out or applying it to the media pool) is that if you make a CHANGE to the FX, it applies only to the one piece you changed - and not to the rest.

This is a problem in some cases....

Ok, so basically, while the docs imply that grouping will do this, it doesn't :)

Hopefully the next update will address this (are 'ya listening Sony? :))
PeterWright wrote on 11/3/2003, 10:17 PM
Yes - I think dse's suggestion of having a separate track for each "group" is the best way to go. That way, tweaking the FX in the Track Header would affect only events in that track, whereas applying in Media Pool could put the effect on parts of the clip used elsewhere that didn't need it.

Later, once you were happy with the results, you could render to an new avi to be placed in the "main" video track and delete the separate track.
kdenninger wrote on 11/3/2003, 10:26 PM
Ah, but can you do transitions freely between tracks? Am I missing the obvious way to accomplish that?
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/3/2003, 10:29 PM
yes, you can do transitions freely between tracks. Create a fade in/out on an event on a track, and do the same to it's counterpart beneath or above, and drop the same transition on both, more or less how it's been done in other NLE's for years. It just isn't readily apparent in Vegas due to the unlimited track structure.
kdenninger wrote on 11/3/2003, 10:42 PM
Ok, cool..... that I can deal with then :)