OK, now I'm REALLY confused

saff wrote on 4/12/2000, 6:47 PM

I'll second that ...

Brett Crockett wrote:
>>I've downloaded "Vegas Video" to evalualte. It
>>has Vegas 2.0 Beta written all over the place, not "Vegas
>>Video 1.0 Beta" as you'd expect with a new product.
>>Is "Vegas Video" really "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"? As
>>an audio only user do I use "Vegas Video"... uhhhh "Vegas
>>2.0 Beta" as my audio editor to get new features that
>>aren't in "Vegas Pro 1.0b"? Is there a "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>for audio coming soon or is this it? I'm really
>>confused now. If I use Vegas Video now will some Vegas
>>Audio Beta 2.0 come out that will make my projects not
>>work?
>>I bought Vegas Pro, what's my upgrade path?
>>Do I have to wait until Summer for "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>or is this it? Or not? Or is it?
>>Did people as S.F. get woozy trying to get stuff ready for
>>N.A.B? Someone at S.F. PLEASE tell me what the heck is
>>going on. Because, I'm sure marketing has it all planned
>>out, like product line and features and names and stuff.
>>Right?

lyricsoflife wrote on 4/12/2000, 9:15 PM

I'll third that, I cant say enough about vegas Pro, but It seems
every time I ask a S/F representative about a vegas 2.0 I feel left
in the dark, Makes me question my loyalty,,If they wont be
informative and supportive to a purchaser and local promoter of their
products I start to question, myself. They're good, but not good to
the point of Blissfull arrogance. Maybe they're trying to figure out
a marketing scheme so we have to buy a new product.

Carl Saff wrote:
>>I'll second that ...
>>
>>Brett Crockett wrote:
>>>>I've downloaded "Vegas Video" to evalualte. It
>>>>has Vegas 2.0 Beta written all over the place, not "Vegas
>>>>Video 1.0 Beta" as you'd expect with a new product.
>>>>Is "Vegas Video" really "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"? As
>>>>an audio only user do I use "Vegas Video"... uhhhh "Vegas
>>>>2.0 Beta" as my audio editor to get new features that
>>>>aren't in "Vegas Pro 1.0b"? Is there a "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>for audio coming soon or is this it? I'm really
>>>>confused now. If I use Vegas Video now will some Vegas
>>>>Audio Beta 2.0 come out that will make my projects not
>>>>work?
>>>>I bought Vegas Pro, what's my upgrade path?
>>>>Do I have to wait until Summer for "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>or is this it? Or not? Or is it?
>>>>Did people as S.F. get woozy trying to get stuff ready for
>>>>N.A.B? Someone at S.F. PLEASE tell me what the heck is
>>>>going on. Because, I'm sure marketing has it all planned
>>>>out, like product line and features and names and stuff.
>>>>Right?

SonicCaleb wrote on 4/13/2000, 11:54 AM

Hello All,

I apologize for the confusion surrounding Vegas 2.0. I hope i can
clarify - Vegas 2.0 will be two products, Vegas Audio and Vegas
Video. Vegas Audio will be the 2.0 version of Vegas Pro. There will
be upgrade paths from Vegas Pro to both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video.

Some of the new features in Vegas Audio 2.0 include:

metronome
destructive directx plug-ins on events
locking envelopes to events
XFX 1, 2, 3 included
real time time compression/expansion on events
improved real time pitch shift
envelope cut/copy/paste
many new editing shortcuts
etc...

We have no intentions of dropping our audio support - we are simply
expanding into other areas of media editing.

I hope this has answered most of your questions. please let me know
if there is anything else you'd like to know.

Best Regards,
Caleb

Director of Engineering
Sonic Foundry, Inc.

Chris Albertson wrote:
>>I'll third that, I cant say enough about vegas Pro, but It seems
>>every time I ask a S/F representative about a vegas 2.0 I feel left
>>in the dark, Makes me question my loyalty,,If they wont be
>>informative and supportive to a purchaser and local promoter of
their
>>products I start to question, myself. They're good, but not good to
>>the point of Blissfull arrogance. Maybe they're trying to figure
out
>>a marketing scheme so we have to buy a new product.
>>
>>Carl Saff wrote:
>>>>I'll second that ...
>>>>
>>>>Brett Crockett wrote:
>>>>>>I've downloaded "Vegas Video" to evalualte. It
>>>>>>has Vegas 2.0 Beta written all over the place, not "Vegas
>>>>>>Video 1.0 Beta" as you'd expect with a new product.
>>>>>>Is "Vegas Video" really "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"? As
>>>>>>an audio only user do I use "Vegas Video"... uhhhh "Vegas
>>>>>>2.0 Beta" as my audio editor to get new features that
>>>>>>aren't in "Vegas Pro 1.0b"? Is there a "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>>>for audio coming soon or is this it? I'm really
>>>>>>confused now. If I use Vegas Video now will some Vegas
>>>>>>Audio Beta 2.0 come out that will make my projects not
>>>>>>work?
>>>>>>I bought Vegas Pro, what's my upgrade path?
>>>>>>Do I have to wait until Summer for "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>>>or is this it? Or not? Or is it?
>>>>>>Did people as S.F. get woozy trying to get stuff ready for
>>>>>>N.A.B? Someone at S.F. PLEASE tell me what the heck is
>>>>>>going on. Because, I'm sure marketing has it all planned
>>>>>>out, like product line and features and names and stuff.
>>>>>>Right?

User-9631 wrote on 4/13/2000, 12:44 PM

Cool, maybe now you can drop the price.

Caleb Pourchot wrote:
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I apologize for the confusion surrounding Vegas 2.0. I hope i can
>>clarify - Vegas 2.0 will be two products, Vegas Audio and Vegas
>>Video. Vegas Audio will be the 2.0 version of Vegas Pro. There will
>>be upgrade paths from Vegas Pro to both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video.
>>
>>Some of the new features in Vegas Audio 2.0 include:
>>
>>metronome
>>destructive directx plug-ins on events
>>locking envelopes to events
>>XFX 1, 2, 3 included
>>real time time compression/expansion on events
>>improved real time pitch shift
>>envelope cut/copy/paste
>>many new editing shortcuts
>>etc...
>>
>>We have no intentions of dropping our audio support - we are simply
>>expanding into other areas of media editing.
>>
>>I hope this has answered most of your questions. please let me know
>>if there is anything else you'd like to know.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Caleb
>>
>>Director of Engineering
>>Sonic Foundry, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Albertson wrote:
>>>>I'll third that, I cant say enough about vegas Pro, but It seems
>>>>every time I ask a S/F representative about a vegas 2.0 I feel
left
>>>>in the dark, Makes me question my loyalty,,If they wont be
>>>>informative and supportive to a purchaser and local promoter of
>>their
>>>>products I start to question, myself. They're good, but not good
to
>>>>the point of Blissfull arrogance. Maybe they're trying to figure
>>out
>>>>a marketing scheme so we have to buy a new product.
>>>>
>>>>Carl Saff wrote:
>>>>>>I'll second that ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brett Crockett wrote:
>>>>>>>>I've downloaded "Vegas Video" to evalualte. It
>>>>>>>>has Vegas 2.0 Beta written all over the place, not "Vegas
>>>>>>>>Video 1.0 Beta" as you'd expect with a new product.
>>>>>>>>Is "Vegas Video" really "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"? As
>>>>>>>>an audio only user do I use "Vegas Video"... uhhhh "Vegas
>>>>>>>>2.0 Beta" as my audio editor to get new features that
>>>>>>>>aren't in "Vegas Pro 1.0b"? Is there a "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>>>>>for audio coming soon or is this it? I'm really
>>>>>>>>confused now. If I use Vegas Video now will some Vegas
>>>>>>>>Audio Beta 2.0 come out that will make my projects not
>>>>>>>>work?
>>>>>>>>I bought Vegas Pro, what's my upgrade path?
>>>>>>>>Do I have to wait until Summer for "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>>>>>or is this it? Or not? Or is it?
>>>>>>>>Did people as S.F. get woozy trying to get stuff ready for
>>>>>>>>N.A.B? Someone at S.F. PLEASE tell me what the heck is
>>>>>>>>going on. Because, I'm sure marketing has it all planned
>>>>>>>>out, like product line and features and names and stuff.
>>>>>>>>Right?

bgc wrote on 4/13/2000, 2:08 PM

Thanks for the information. When can we expect Vegas Audio 2.0 in
Beta?
Thanks,
Brett

Caleb Pourchot wrote:
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I apologize for the confusion surrounding Vegas 2.0. I hope i can
>>clarify - Vegas 2.0 will be two products, Vegas Audio and Vegas
>>Video. Vegas Audio will be the 2.0 version of Vegas Pro. There will
>>be upgrade paths from Vegas Pro to both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video.
>>
>>Some of the new features in Vegas Audio 2.0 include:
>>
>>metronome
>>destructive directx plug-ins on events
>>locking envelopes to events
>>XFX 1, 2, 3 included
>>real time time compression/expansion on events
>>improved real time pitch shift
>>envelope cut/copy/paste
>>many new editing shortcuts
>>etc...
>>
>>We have no intentions of dropping our audio support - we are simply
>>expanding into other areas of media editing.
>>
>>I hope this has answered most of your questions. please let me know
>>if there is anything else you'd like to know.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Caleb
>>
>>Director of Engineering
>>Sonic Foundry, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Albertson wrote:
>>>>I'll third that, I cant say enough about vegas Pro, but It seems
>>>>every time I ask a S/F representative about a vegas 2.0 I feel
left
>>>>in the dark, Makes me question my loyalty,,If they wont be
>>>>informative and supportive to a purchaser and local promoter of
>>their
>>>>products I start to question, myself. They're good, but not good
to
>>>>the point of Blissfull arrogance. Maybe they're trying to figure
>>out
>>>>a marketing scheme so we have to buy a new product.
>>>>
>>>>Carl Saff wrote:
>>>>>>I'll second that ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brett Crockett wrote:
>>>>>>>>I've downloaded "Vegas Video" to evalualte. It
>>>>>>>>has Vegas 2.0 Beta written all over the place, not "Vegas
>>>>>>>>Video 1.0 Beta" as you'd expect with a new product.
>>>>>>>>Is "Vegas Video" really "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"? As
>>>>>>>>an audio only user do I use "Vegas Video"... uhhhh "Vegas
>>>>>>>>2.0 Beta" as my audio editor to get new features that
>>>>>>>>aren't in "Vegas Pro 1.0b"? Is there a "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>>>>>for audio coming soon or is this it? I'm really
>>>>>>>>confused now. If I use Vegas Video now will some Vegas
>>>>>>>>Audio Beta 2.0 come out that will make my projects not
>>>>>>>>work?
>>>>>>>>I bought Vegas Pro, what's my upgrade path?
>>>>>>>>Do I have to wait until Summer for "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>>>>>or is this it? Or not? Or is it?
>>>>>>>>Did people as S.F. get woozy trying to get stuff ready for
>>>>>>>>N.A.B? Someone at S.F. PLEASE tell me what the heck is
>>>>>>>>going on. Because, I'm sure marketing has it all planned
>>>>>>>>out, like product line and features and names and stuff.
>>>>>>>>Right?

memannmusic wrote on 4/13/2000, 6:26 PM

I paid over $600.00 dollars for your Vegas 1.0b.

So - your Vegas audio 2.0 WILL BE A FREE DOWNLOADABLE UPGRADE FOR ME
RIGHT?......RIGHT?

I don't even want to SEE THE WORDS "UPGRADE PATH" concerning Vegas
after paying $600.00 for a BETA product. This app (1.0b) is still
about as Beta3 as you can get.

So it will be a free upgrade right? If not - I want all my $$ back,
you take back this damn Vegas 1.0 and I'll go with another app...one
that comes with a damn 24-bit editor as well.

Send me the rma #, you get this "thing" back and I get my $600.00
back. If not, SF sales will hear from the family lawyer (she hasn't
lost one yet).

THIS IS FRICKIN' OUTRAGEOUS SF....THE WORST STUNT YOU'VE EVER PULLED.

Let me guess.... new management? The old SF I used to know wouldn't
have pulled this crap.
I've sunk enough $ into your products to choke a yak....and now "I'm"
the jerk for raising issue with this robbery?
bull!

I'm reading all these posts from others stating "Oh....thank you for
clarifying this", etc...."when can we expect this gem?....here take
my wallet"

Bull!! At least I have the brass ones to call you on this game. Am
I the only one who is a bit offended here? I don't believe it.

So tell me....it will be a free upgrade...RIGHT?????

Answers?

JD

Caleb Pourchot wrote:
>>Hello All,
>>
>>I apologize for the confusion surrounding Vegas 2.0. I hope i can
>>clarify - Vegas 2.0 will be two products, Vegas Audio and Vegas
>>Video. Vegas Audio will be the 2.0 version of Vegas Pro. There will
>>be upgrade paths from Vegas Pro to both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video.
>>
>>Some of the new features in Vegas Audio 2.0 include:
>>
>>metronome
>>destructive directx plug-ins on events
>>locking envelopes to events
>>XFX 1, 2, 3 included
>>real time time compression/expansion on events
>>improved real time pitch shift
>>envelope cut/copy/paste
>>many new editing shortcuts
>>etc...
>>
>>We have no intentions of dropping our audio support - we are simply
>>expanding into other areas of media editing.
>>
>>I hope this has answered most of your questions. please let me know
>>if there is anything else you'd like to know.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Caleb
>>
>>Director of Engineering
>>Sonic Foundry, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Albertson wrote:
>>>>I'll third that, I cant say enough about vegas Pro, but It seems
>>>>every time I ask a S/F representative about a vegas 2.0 I feel
left
>>>>in the dark, Makes me question my loyalty,,If they wont be
>>>>informative and supportive to a purchaser and local promoter of
>>their
>>>>products I start to question, myself. They're good, but not good
to
>>>>the point of Blissfull arrogance. Maybe they're trying to figure
>>out
>>>>a marketing scheme so we have to buy a new product.
>>>>
>>>>Carl Saff wrote:
>>>>>>I'll second that ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brett Crockett wrote:
>>>>>>>>I've downloaded "Vegas Video" to evalualte. It
>>>>>>>>has Vegas 2.0 Beta written all over the place, not "Vegas
>>>>>>>>Video 1.0 Beta" as you'd expect with a new product.
>>>>>>>>Is "Vegas Video" really "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"? As
>>>>>>>>an audio only user do I use "Vegas Video"... uhhhh "Vegas
>>>>>>>>2.0 Beta" as my audio editor to get new features that
>>>>>>>>aren't in "Vegas Pro 1.0b"? Is there a "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>>>>>for audio coming soon or is this it? I'm really
>>>>>>>>confused now. If I use Vegas Video now will some Vegas
>>>>>>>>Audio Beta 2.0 come out that will make my projects not
>>>>>>>>work?
>>>>>>>>I bought Vegas Pro, what's my upgrade path?
>>>>>>>>Do I have to wait until Summer for "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>>>>>or is this it? Or not? Or is it?
>>>>>>>>Did people as S.F. get woozy trying to get stuff ready for
>>>>>>>>N.A.B? Someone at S.F. PLEASE tell me what the heck is
>>>>>>>>going on. Because, I'm sure marketing has it all planned
>>>>>>>>out, like product line and features and names and stuff.
>>>>>>>>Right?

SonicCaleb wrote on 4/14/2000, 10:51 AM

Hi Joe,

Actually, no, Vegas 2.0 is an upgrade to Vegas 1.0 and, therefore,
will have a cost associated with it.

Since you are not happy with Vegas 1.0, nor does it sound like you
will be happy with Vegas 2.0, I will be happy to refund your money.

Please send me an email with the request and i'll make sure it
happens.

I'm sorry we couldn't help you.

Regards,
Caleb

joe wrote:
>>I paid over $600.00 dollars for your Vegas 1.0b.
>>
>>So - your Vegas audio 2.0 WILL BE A FREE DOWNLOADABLE UPGRADE FOR
ME
>>RIGHT?......RIGHT?
>>
>>I don't even want to SEE THE WORDS "UPGRADE PATH" concerning Vegas
>>after paying $600.00 for a BETA product. This app (1.0b) is still
>>about as Beta3 as you can get.
>>
>>So it will be a free upgrade right? If not - I want all my $$ back,
>>you take back this damn Vegas 1.0 and I'll go with another
app...one
>>that comes with a damn 24-bit editor as well.
>>
>>Send me the rma #, you get this "thing" back and I get my $600.00
>>back. If not, SF sales will hear from the family lawyer (she
hasn't
>>lost one yet).
>>
>>THIS IS FRICKIN' OUTRAGEOUS SF....THE WORST STUNT YOU'VE EVER
PULLED.
>>
>>Let me guess.... new management? The old SF I used to know
wouldn't
>>have pulled this crap.
>>I've sunk enough $ into your products to choke a yak....and
now "I'm"
>>the jerk for raising issue with this robbery?
>>bull!
>>
>>I'm reading all these posts from others stating "Oh....thank you
for
>>clarifying this", etc...."when can we expect this gem?....here take
>>my wallet"
>>
>>Bull!! At least I have the brass ones to call you on this game.
Am
>>I the only one who is a bit offended here? I don't believe it.
>>
>>So tell me....it will be a free upgrade...RIGHT?????
>>
>>Answers?
>>
>>JD
>>
>>Caleb Pourchot wrote:
>>>>Hello All,
>>>>
>>>>I apologize for the confusion surrounding Vegas 2.0. I hope i can
>>>>clarify - Vegas 2.0 will be two products, Vegas Audio and Vegas
>>>>Video. Vegas Audio will be the 2.0 version of Vegas Pro. There
will
>>>>be upgrade paths from Vegas Pro to both Vegas Audio and Vegas
Video.
>>>>
>>>>Some of the new features in Vegas Audio 2.0 include:
>>>>
>>>>metronome
>>>>destructive directx plug-ins on events
>>>>locking envelopes to events
>>>>XFX 1, 2, 3 included
>>>>real time time compression/expansion on events
>>>>improved real time pitch shift
>>>>envelope cut/copy/paste
>>>>many new editing shortcuts
>>>>etc...
>>>>
>>>>We have no intentions of dropping our audio support - we are
simply
>>>>expanding into other areas of media editing.
>>>>
>>>>I hope this has answered most of your questions. please let me
know
>>>>if there is anything else you'd like to know.
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>Caleb
>>>>
>>>>Director of Engineering
>>>>Sonic Foundry, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris Albertson wrote:
>>>>>>I'll third that, I cant say enough about vegas Pro, but It
seems
>>>>>>every time I ask a S/F representative about a vegas 2.0 I feel
>>left
>>>>>>in the dark, Makes me question my loyalty,,If they wont be
>>>>>>informative and supportive to a purchaser and local promoter of
>>>>their
>>>>>>products I start to question, myself. They're good, but not
good
>>to
>>>>>>the point of Blissfull arrogance. Maybe they're trying to
figure
>>>>out
>>>>>>a marketing scheme so we have to buy a new product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carl Saff wrote:
>>>>>>>>I'll second that ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brett Crockett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I've downloaded "Vegas Video" to evalualte. It
>>>>>>>>>>has Vegas 2.0 Beta written all over the place, not "Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>Video 1.0 Beta" as you'd expect with a new product.
>>>>>>>>>>Is "Vegas Video" really "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"? As
>>>>>>>>>>an audio only user do I use "Vegas Video"... uhhhh "Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>2.0 Beta" as my audio editor to get new features that
>>>>>>>>>>aren't in "Vegas Pro 1.0b"? Is there a "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>>>>>>>for audio coming soon or is this it? I'm really
>>>>>>>>>>confused now. If I use Vegas Video now will some Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>Audio Beta 2.0 come out that will make my projects not
>>>>>>>>>>work?
>>>>>>>>>>I bought Vegas Pro, what's my upgrade path?
>>>>>>>>>>Do I have to wait until Summer for "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"
>>>>>>>>>>or is this it? Or not? Or is it?
>>>>>>>>>>Did people as S.F. get woozy trying to get stuff ready for
>>>>>>>>>>N.A.B? Someone at S.F. PLEASE tell me what the heck is
>>>>>>>>>>going on. Because, I'm sure marketing has it all planned
>>>>>>>>>>out, like product line and features and names and stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>Right?

SonicCaleb wrote on 4/14/2000, 10:55 AM

Hi Brett,

It technically is in Beta already and you are using it . There are things that will be slightly different with regards to UI - mostly missing Video pieces, but the audio functionality that you are using currently is Vegas Audio. Brett Crockett wrote: >>Thanks for the information. When can we expect Vegas Audio 2.0 in >>Beta? >>Thanks, >>Brett >> >>Caleb Pourchot wrote: >>>>Hello All, >>>> >>>>I apologize for the confusion surrounding Vegas 2.0. I hope i can >>>>clarify - Vegas 2.0 will be two products, Vegas Audio and Vegas >>>>Video. Vegas Audio will be the 2.0 version of Vegas Pro. There will >>>>be upgrade paths from Vegas Pro to both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video. >>>> >>>>Some of the new features in Vegas Audio 2.0 include: >>>> >>>>metronome >>>>destructive directx plug-ins on events >>>>locking envelopes to events >>>>XFX 1, 2, 3 included >>>>real time time compression/expansion on events >>>>improved real time pitch shift >>>>envelope cut/copy/paste >>>>many new editing shortcuts >>>>etc... >>>> >>>>We have no intentions of dropping our audio support - we are simply >>>>expanding into other areas of media editing. >>>> >>>>I hope this has answered most of your questions. please let me know >>>>if there is anything else you'd like to know. >>>> >>>>Best Regards, >>>>Caleb >>>> >>>>Director of Engineering >>>>Sonic Foundry, Inc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Chris Albertson wrote: >>>>>>I'll third that, I cant say enough about vegas Pro, but It seems >>>>>>every time I ask a S/F representative about a vegas 2.0 I feel >>left >>>>>>in the dark, Makes me question my loyalty,,If they wont be >>>>>>informative and supportive to a purchaser and local promoter of >>>>their >>>>>>products I start to question, myself. They're good, but not good >>to >>>>>>the point of Blissfull arrogance. Maybe they're trying to figure >>>>out >>>>>>a marketing scheme so we have to buy a new product. >>>>>> >>>>>>Carl Saff wrote: >>>>>>>>I'll second that ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Brett Crockett wrote: >>>>>>>>>>I've downloaded "Vegas Video" to evalualte. It >>>>>>>>>>has Vegas 2.0 Beta written all over the place, not "Vegas >>>>>>>>>>Video 1.0 Beta" as you'd expect with a new product. >>>>>>>>>>Is "Vegas Video" really "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"? As >>>>>>>>>>an audio only user do I use "Vegas Video"... uhhhh "Vegas >>>>>>>>>>2.0 Beta" as my audio editor to get new features that >>>>>>>>>>aren't in "Vegas Pro 1.0b"? Is there a "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta" >>>>>>>>>>for audio coming soon or is this it? I'm really >>>>>>>>>>confused now. If I use Vegas Video now will some Vegas >>>>>>>>>>Audio Beta 2.0 come out that will make my projects not >>>>>>>>>>work? >>>>>>>>>>I bought Vegas Pro, what's my upgrade path? >>>>>>>>>>Do I have to wait until Summer for "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta" >>>>>>>>>>or is this it? Or not? Or is it? >>>>>>>>>>Did people as S.F. get woozy trying to get stuff ready for >>>>>>>>>>N.A.B? Someone at S.F. PLEASE tell me what the heck is >>>>>>>>>>going on. Because, I'm sure marketing has it all planned >>>>>>>>>>out, like product line and features and names and stuff. >>>>>>>>>>Right?

bgc wrote on 4/14/2000, 12:24 PM

Hi Caleb,
I'm a big fan of your products but my sense is that you're really
making a lot of dedicated users very very mad by this weird upgrade/
product confusion scene. I'm beginning to think that Sonic Foundry
is spreading itself too thin (everything to everyone) to appease
stockholders. I hope I'm wrong.

Regarding Vegas Video or whatever it's called. I can't use it
because it crashes consistently when trying to use one of the new
"features".

Here're the details:

Windows NT 4.0 SP 5, while trying to add non-real time effect (Sonic
Foundry Simple Delay). Consistently crashes when
render button is hit and then attempting to save new rendered effect
track (crashes on hitting Save button in Save
dialog box). Following information returned:

Brett

======================================================================
===============================

Sonic Foundry Vegas 2.0
Version 2.00.264 (PRE-RELEASE)
Exception 0xC0000005 (access violation) READ:0x3EA6004 IP:0x1080733
In Module 'vegask.dll' at Address 0x1000000 + 0x80733
Thread: ProgMan ID=0xFF Stack=0x3C8F000-0x3C90000
Registers:
EAX=00000080 CS=001b EIP=01080733 EFLGS=00010283
EBX=03ea00a0 SS=0023 ESP=03c8f8f0 EBP=00002000
ECX=00000008 DS=0023 ESI=000017d9 FS=0038
EDX=00000001 ES=0023 EDI=001c1ad9 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
01080733: D9 04 B3 DC 0D 00 57 14 ......W.
0108073B: 01 E8 7B 22 0C 00 83 F8 ..{"....
Stack Dump:
03C8F8F0: 01080700 01000000 + 80700 (vegask.dll)
03C8F8F4: 00000000
03C8F8F8: 00002000
03C8F8FC: 03C8F978 03B90000 + FF978
03C8F900: 0108218F 01000000 + 8218F (vegask.dll)
03C8F904: 001C0300 00130000 + 90300
03C8F908: 00000001
03C8F90C: 00000008
03C8F910: 03E941D8 03DD0000 + C41D8
03C8F914: 00000002
03C8F918: 00000000
03C8F91C: 00002000
03C8F920: 03E941D8 03DD0000 + C41D8
03C8F924: 00002000
03C8F928: 001A9588 00130000 + 79588
03C8F92C: 001A9550 00130000 + 79550
> 03C8F930: 00528969 00400000 + 128969 (vegas.exe)
> 03C8F950: 0059047C 00400000 + 19047C (vegas.exe)
> 03C8F970: 5F38D174 5F380000 + D174 (wavplug.dll)
> 03C8FA08: 77E77EC5 77E70000 + 7EC5 (USER32.dll)
> 03C8FA78: 5F3845D4 5F380000 + 45D4 (wavplug.dll)
> 03C8FAA8: 5F3843F9 5F380000 + 43F9 (wavplug.dll)
> 03C8FB40: 77F91FA4 77F60000 + 31FA4 (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FB44: 77F9D350 77F60000 + 3D350 (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FB50: 77F64D15 77F60000 + 4D15 (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FB6C: 77F8E4F1 77F60000 + 2E4F1 (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FB84: 77F114AC 77F00000 + 114AC (KERNEL32.dll)
> 03C8FB94: 77F8E4F1 77F60000 + 2E4F1 (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FBB4: 77F91FA4 77F60000 + 31FA4 (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FBB8: 77F9D840 77F60000 + 3D840 (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FBC4: 77F6470E 77F60000 + 470E (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FBF8: 77F464E0 77F00000 + 464E0 (KERNEL32.dll)
> 03C8FBFC: 77F83323 77F60000 + 23323 (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FC10: 01F91FA4 01F60000 + 31FA4 (stl2plg.dll)
> 03C8FC14: 77F65414 77F60000 + 5414 (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FC1C: 77F65414 77F60000 + 5414 (ntdll.dll)
> 03C8FC2C: 77F11A9B 77F00000 + 11A9B (KERNEL32.dll)
> 03C8FC5C: 77F3B744 77F00000 + 3B744 (KERNEL32.dll)
> 03C8FC60: 77F3CBB0 77F00000 + 3CBB0 (KERNEL32.dll)
> 03C8FC6C: 5F3953D5 5F380000 + 153D5 (wavplug.dll)
> 03C8FC70: 5F39540A 5F380000 + 1540A (wavplug.dll)
> 03C8FC88: 77F11533 77F00000 + 11533 (KERNEL32.dll)
> 03C8FCB4: 5F384312 5F380000 + 4312 (wavplug.dll)
> 03C8FCC8: 77F3B744 77F00000 + 3B744 (KERNEL32.dll)
> 03C8FCCC: 77F3CBB0 77F00000 + 3CBB0 (KERNEL32.dll)
> 03C8FCD4: 00528B54 00400000 + 128B54 (vegas.exe)
- - -
03C8FFF0: 00000000
03C8FFF4: 004C3B50 00400000 + C3B50 (vegas.exe)
03C8FFF8: 005A6530 00400000 + 1A6530 (vegas.exe)
03C8FFFC: 00000000

Caleb Pourchot wrote:
>>Hi Brett,
>>
>>It technically is in Beta already and you are using it . There are >>things that will be slightly different with regards to UI - mostly >>missing Video pieces, but the audio functionality that you are using >>currently is Vegas Audio. >> >> >>Brett Crockett wrote: >>>>Thanks for the information. When can we expect Vegas Audio 2.0 in >>>>Beta? >>>>Thanks, >>>>Brett >>>> >>>>Caleb Pourchot wrote: >>>>>>Hello All, >>>>>> >>>>>>I apologize for the confusion surrounding Vegas 2.0. I hope i can >>>>>>clarify - Vegas 2.0 will be two products, Vegas Audio and Vegas >>>>>>Video. Vegas Audio will be the 2.0 version of Vegas Pro. There >>will >>>>>>be upgrade paths from Vegas Pro to both Vegas Audio and Vegas >>Video. >>>>>> >>>>>>Some of the new features in Vegas Audio 2.0 include: >>>>>> >>>>>>metronome >>>>>>destructive directx plug-ins on events >>>>>>locking envelopes to events >>>>>>XFX 1, 2, 3 included >>>>>>real time time compression/expansion on events >>>>>>improved real time pitch shift >>>>>>envelope cut/copy/paste >>>>>>many new editing shortcuts >>>>>>etc... >>>>>> >>>>>>We have no intentions of dropping our audio support - we are >>simply >>>>>>expanding into other areas of media editing. >>>>>> >>>>>>I hope this has answered most of your questions. please let me >>know >>>>>>if there is anything else you'd like to know. >>>>>> >>>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>>Caleb >>>>>> >>>>>>Director of Engineering >>>>>>Sonic Foundry, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Chris Albertson wrote: >>>>>>>>I'll third that, I cant say enough about vegas Pro, but It >>seems >>>>>>>>every time I ask a S/F representative about a vegas 2.0 I feel >>>>left >>>>>>>>in the dark, Makes me question my loyalty,,If they wont be >>>>>>>>informative and supportive to a purchaser and local promoter of >>>>>>their >>>>>>>>products I start to question, myself. They're good, but not >>good >>>>to >>>>>>>>the point of Blissfull arrogance. Maybe they're trying to >>figure >>>>>>out >>>>>>>>a marketing scheme so we have to buy a new product. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Carl Saff wrote: >>>>>>>>>>I'll second that ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Brett Crockett wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>I've downloaded "Vegas Video" to evalualte. It >>>>>>>>>>>>has Vegas 2.0 Beta written all over the place, not "Vegas >>>>>>>>>>>>Video 1.0 Beta" as you'd expect with a new product. >>>>>>>>>>>>Is "Vegas Video" really "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"? As >>>>>>>>>>>>an audio only user do I use "Vegas Video"... uhhhh "Vegas >>>>>>>>>>>>2.0 Beta" as my audio editor to get new features that >>>>>>>>>>>>aren't in "Vegas Pro 1.0b"? Is there a "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta" >>>>>>>>>>>>for audio coming soon or is this it? I'm really >>>>>>>>>>>>confused now. If I use Vegas Video now will some Vegas >>>>>>>>>>>>Audio Beta 2.0 come out that will make my projects not >>>>>>>>>>>>work? >>>>>>>>>>>>I bought Vegas Pro, what's my upgrade path? >>>>>>>>>>>>Do I have to wait until Summer for "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta" >>>>>>>>>>>>or is this it? Or not? Or is it? >>>>>>>>>>>>Did people as S.F. get woozy trying to get stuff ready for >>>>>>>>>>>>N.A.B? Someone at S.F. PLEASE tell me what the heck is >>>>>>>>>>>>going on. Because, I'm sure marketing has it all planned >>>>>>>>>>>>out, like product line and features and names and stuff. >>>>>>>>>>>>Right?

tad wrote on 6/23/2000, 4:34 PM

I would have to disagree that Vegas Pro was released as a beta
product. I have found it to be highly stable, reliable and user
friendly. Never have I experienced a software problem when using
it.

You can criticize SF of a lot of things, making and releasing poor
beta aps is not one of them (try Steinberg for that).

-Tad

Brett Crockett wrote:
>>Hi Caleb,
>>I'm a big fan of your products but my sense is that you're really
>>making a lot of dedicated users very very mad by this weird upgrade/
>>product confusion scene. I'm beginning to think that Sonic Foundry
>>is spreading itself too thin (everything to everyone) to appease
>>stockholders. I hope I'm wrong.
>>
>>Regarding Vegas Video or whatever it's called. I can't use it
>>because it crashes consistently when trying to use one of the new
>>"features".
>>
>>Here're the details:
>>
>>Windows NT 4.0 SP 5, while trying to add non-real time effect
(Sonic
>>Foundry Simple Delay). Consistently crashes when
>>render button is hit and then attempting to save new rendered
effect
>>track (crashes on hitting Save button in Save
>>dialog box). Following information returned:
>>
>>Brett
>>
>>====================================================================
==
>>===============================
>>
>>
>>Sonic Foundry Vegas 2.0
>>Version 2.00.264 (PRE-RELEASE)
>>Exception 0xC0000005 (access violation) READ:0x3EA6004 IP:0x1080733
>>In Module 'vegask.dll' at Address 0x1000000 + 0x80733
>>Thread: ProgMan ID=0xFF Stack=0x3C8F000-0x3C90000
>>Registers:
>> EAX=00000080 CS=001b EIP=01080733 EFLGS=00010283
>> EBX=03ea00a0 SS=0023 ESP=03c8f8f0 EBP=00002000
>> ECX=00000008 DS=0023 ESI=000017d9 FS=0038
>> EDX=00000001 ES=0023 EDI=001c1ad9 GS=0000
>>Bytes at CS:EIP:
>> 01080733: D9 04 B3 DC 0D 00 57 14 ......W.
>> 0108073B: 01 E8 7B 22 0C 00 83 F8 ..{"....
>>Stack Dump:
>> 03C8F8F0: 01080700 01000000 + 80700 (vegask.dll)
>> 03C8F8F4: 00000000
>> 03C8F8F8: 00002000
>> 03C8F8FC: 03C8F978 03B90000 + FF978
>> 03C8F900: 0108218F 01000000 + 8218F (vegask.dll)
>> 03C8F904: 001C0300 00130000 + 90300
>> 03C8F908: 00000001
>> 03C8F90C: 00000008
>> 03C8F910: 03E941D8 03DD0000 + C41D8
>> 03C8F914: 00000002
>> 03C8F918: 00000000
>> 03C8F91C: 00002000
>> 03C8F920: 03E941D8 03DD0000 + C41D8
>> 03C8F924: 00002000
>> 03C8F928: 001A9588 00130000 + 79588
>> 03C8F92C: 001A9550 00130000 + 79550
>>> 03C8F930: 00528969 00400000 + 128969 (vegas.exe)
>>> 03C8F950: 0059047C 00400000 + 19047C (vegas.exe)
>>> 03C8F970: 5F38D174 5F380000 + D174 (wavplug.dll)
>>> 03C8FA08: 77E77EC5 77E70000 + 7EC5 (USER32.dll)
>>> 03C8FA78: 5F3845D4 5F380000 + 45D4 (wavplug.dll)
>>> 03C8FAA8: 5F3843F9 5F380000 + 43F9 (wavplug.dll)
>>> 03C8FB40: 77F91FA4 77F60000 + 31FA4 (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FB44: 77F9D350 77F60000 + 3D350 (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FB50: 77F64D15 77F60000 + 4D15 (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FB6C: 77F8E4F1 77F60000 + 2E4F1 (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FB84: 77F114AC 77F00000 + 114AC (KERNEL32.dll)
>>> 03C8FB94: 77F8E4F1 77F60000 + 2E4F1 (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FBB4: 77F91FA4 77F60000 + 31FA4 (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FBB8: 77F9D840 77F60000 + 3D840 (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FBC4: 77F6470E 77F60000 + 470E (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FBF8: 77F464E0 77F00000 + 464E0 (KERNEL32.dll)
>>> 03C8FBFC: 77F83323 77F60000 + 23323 (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FC10: 01F91FA4 01F60000 + 31FA4 (stl2plg.dll)
>>> 03C8FC14: 77F65414 77F60000 + 5414 (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FC1C: 77F65414 77F60000 + 5414 (ntdll.dll)
>>> 03C8FC2C: 77F11A9B 77F00000 + 11A9B (KERNEL32.dll)
>>> 03C8FC5C: 77F3B744 77F00000 + 3B744 (KERNEL32.dll)
>>> 03C8FC60: 77F3CBB0 77F00000 + 3CBB0 (KERNEL32.dll)
>>> 03C8FC6C: 5F3953D5 5F380000 + 153D5 (wavplug.dll)
>>> 03C8FC70: 5F39540A 5F380000 + 1540A (wavplug.dll)
>>> 03C8FC88: 77F11533 77F00000 + 11533 (KERNEL32.dll)
>>> 03C8FCB4: 5F384312 5F380000 + 4312 (wavplug.dll)
>>> 03C8FCC8: 77F3B744 77F00000 + 3B744 (KERNEL32.dll)
>>> 03C8FCCC: 77F3CBB0 77F00000 + 3CBB0 (KERNEL32.dll)
>>> 03C8FCD4: 00528B54 00400000 + 128B54 (vegas.exe)
>>- - -
>> 03C8FFF0: 00000000
>> 03C8FFF4: 004C3B50 00400000 + C3B50 (vegas.exe)
>> 03C8FFF8: 005A6530 00400000 + 1A6530 (vegas.exe)
>> 03C8FFFC: 00000000
>>
>>
>>Caleb Pourchot wrote:
>>>>Hi Brett,
>>>>
>>>>It technically is in Beta already and you are using it . There >>are >>>>things that will be slightly different with regards to UI - mostly >>>>missing Video pieces, but the audio functionality that you are >>using >>>>currently is Vegas Audio. >>>> >>>> >>>>Brett Crockett wrote: >>>>>>Thanks for the information. When can we expect Vegas Audio 2.0 in >>>>>>Beta? >>>>>>Thanks, >>>>>>Brett >>>>>> >>>>>>Caleb Pourchot wrote: >>>>>>>>Hello All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I apologize for the confusion surrounding Vegas 2.0. I hope i >>can >>>>>>>>clarify - Vegas 2.0 will be two products, Vegas Audio and Vegas >>>>>>>>Video. Vegas Audio will be the 2.0 version of Vegas Pro. There >>>>will >>>>>>>>be upgrade paths from Vegas Pro to both Vegas Audio and Vegas >>>>Video. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Some of the new features in Vegas Audio 2.0 include: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>metronome >>>>>>>>destructive directx plug-ins on events >>>>>>>>locking envelopes to events >>>>>>>>XFX 1, 2, 3 included >>>>>>>>real time time compression/expansion on events >>>>>>>>improved real time pitch shift >>>>>>>>envelope cut/copy/paste >>>>>>>>many new editing shortcuts >>>>>>>>etc... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>We have no intentions of dropping our audio support - we are >>>>simply >>>>>>>>expanding into other areas of media editing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I hope this has answered most of your questions. please let me >>>>know >>>>>>>>if there is anything else you'd like to know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>>>>Caleb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Director of Engineering >>>>>>>>Sonic Foundry, Inc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Chris Albertson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>I'll third that, I cant say enough about vegas Pro, but It >>>>seems >>>>>>>>>>every time I ask a S/F representative about a vegas 2.0 I >>feel >>>>>>left >>>>>>>>>>in the dark, Makes me question my loyalty,,If they wont be >>>>>>>>>>informative and supportive to a purchaser and local promoter >>of >>>>>>>>their >>>>>>>>>>products I start to question, myself. They're good, but not >>>>good >>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>the point of Blissfull arrogance. Maybe they're trying to >>>>figure >>>>>>>>out >>>>>>>>>>a marketing scheme so we have to buy a new product. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Carl Saff wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>I'll second that ... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Brett Crockett wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've downloaded "Vegas Video" to evalualte. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>has Vegas 2.0 Beta written all over the place, not "Vegas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Video 1.0 Beta" as you'd expect with a new product. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Is "Vegas Video" really "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta"? As >>>>>>>>>>>>>>an audio only user do I use "Vegas Video"... uhhhh "Vegas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>2.0 Beta" as my audio editor to get new features that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>aren't in "Vegas Pro 1.0b"? Is there a "Vegas Pro 2.0 >>Beta" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>for audio coming soon or is this it? I'm really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>confused now. If I use Vegas Video now will some Vegas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Audio Beta 2.0 come out that will make my projects not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>work? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought Vegas Pro, what's my upgrade path? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Do I have to wait until Summer for "Vegas Pro 2.0 Beta" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>or is this it? Or not? Or is it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did people as S.F. get woozy trying to get stuff ready >>for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>N.A.B? Someone at S.F. PLEASE tell me what the heck is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>going on. Because, I'm sure marketing has it all planned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>out, like product line and features and names and stuff. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Right?