optimizing NT for vegas audio/perfomance NG compared with Vegas pro on Win95

LarryPeter wrote on 10/22/2000, 10:04 PM
I would love some advice/feedback from Vegas audio users
running on NT. I have previously been using Vegas pro on
Win95, been quite happy. I downloaded the upgrade to Vegas
Audio (pre-release) posted on the download site on 10/13.
After installing on NT I find a drastic reduction in
performance. I copied and opened a project started in
Vegas pro with 21 tracks, 2 busses, 2 assignable fx and
compressors/eq on all tracks. This played without a
stutter on Win95. In NT with Vegas audio it played with
sever gapping for about 5 seconds and then just stopped!
Never seen this before. After adjusting buffers, setting
graphics to 256 colors and muting 2 tracks I finally got it
to play the 30 second program although with severe
deficiencies in cursor movement and screen updating. My
call to customer support was answered with "we don't really
support this product on NT, only 98 SE/ME and 2000. That's
what we say on the web site." (?!?)
After suggesting that he check the web site (which he
promptly did), he returned mumbling and told me to try all
the things I just mentioned and said, "This new version
does require a bit more system overhead." If this is the
result of a fine audio company attempting to move its focus
into video appz, I must beg for an audio only product!
Help me out if you can. Here's my system:
ABIT BX6 motherbrd
Pentium 3/450/ 128mRAM
7200 rpm 12 gig sytem drive
7200 rpm 20 gig audio drive
MOnster Fusion video 16 meg
Delta 6X6 NT drivers ver# 4.1.17.8
Midiman Biport 2X4s (for SMPTE in) NT driver ver # 1.0.0
NT 4.0 ser pk 6 / Win95 (dual boot system)
Note: I have tried recording to both FAT and NTFS
partitions with the same results.

If I can't get identical results (at least) without
building a new system, this is the most expensive "upgrade"
I have ever been a victim of.

Please help.
Thanks, all.

Comments

Rednroll wrote on 10/22/2000, 11:54 PM
Yes, I think all of us users have complained about the drastic
resource hogginess of the new 2.0 Version. I had experienced the
same problems as you and I too don't use the Video editing resources
of Vegas. I use to hit the space bar on my keyboard and get
instaneous playback, playing at least 24 tracks at a time using Vegas
Pro. I'm using win98 SE and have run into the same problems as you,
I'm just lucky my processor is a little faster than yours, but still
when I hit the spacebar now, It hesitates for at least 2 seconds and
then starts playback. To cut down on resources, try
unchecking "Simultaneous Play and Record" during playback and also
check "mute all video" and delete all the Video tracks. Your
processor is on the low end of the minimum system requirements, so
that's most likely you're week link, but unfortunately in most cases
to upgrade that, you'll need a new motherboard, new Dimms supported
under the new motherboard and of course at least an 800Mhz processor.

By the way, here's a little blurb for everyone if you might think
that there's a Vegas Audio Vs. Vegas Video performance difference. I
Found this out by mistake. A friend of mine wanted to upgrade and
didn't have an internet connection and he was a Vegas Audio
registered user. Well I brought my copy of Vegas Video over for him
and we plugged in his Vegas Audio Serial Number and up installed
Vegas Audio. So basically Vegas Audio and Vegas Video are the same
programs/code, it just depends on the serial number you put in, to
which features it decides to enable for you. Explains why both file
sizes in the downloads section are identical.

Larry Peter wrote:
>>I would love some advice/feedback from Vegas audio users
>>running on NT. I have previously been using Vegas pro on
>>Win95, been quite happy. I downloaded the upgrade to Vegas
>>Audio (pre-release) posted on the download site on 10/13.
>>After installing on NT I find a drastic reduction in
>>performance. I copied and opened a project started in
>>Vegas pro with 21 tracks, 2 busses, 2 assignable fx and
>>compressors/eq on all tracks. This played without a
>>stutter on Win95. In NT with Vegas audio it played with
>>sever gapping for about 5 seconds and then just stopped!
>>Never seen this before. After adjusting buffers, setting
>>graphics to 256 colors and muting 2 tracks I finally got it
>>to play the 30 second program although with severe
>>deficiencies in cursor movement and screen updating. My
>>call to customer support was answered with "we don't really
>>support this product on NT, only 98 SE/ME and 2000. That's
>>what we say on the web site." (?!?)
>>After suggesting that he check the web site (which he
>>promptly did), he returned mumbling and told me to try all
>>the things I just mentioned and said, "This new version
>>does require a bit more system overhead." If this is the
>>result of a fine audio company attempting to move its focus
>>into video appz, I must beg for an audio only product!
>>Help me out if you can. Here's my system:
>>ABIT BX6 motherbrd
>>Pentium 3/450/ 128mRAM
>>7200 rpm 12 gig sytem drive
>>7200 rpm 20 gig audio drive
>>MOnster Fusion video 16 meg
>>Delta 6X6 NT drivers ver# 4.1.17.8
>>Midiman Biport 2X4s (for SMPTE in) NT driver ver # 1.0.0
>>NT 4.0 ser pk 6 / Win95 (dual boot system)
>>Note: I have tried recording to both FAT and NTFS
>>partitions with the same results.
>>
>>If I can't get identical results (at least) without
>>building a new system, this is the most expensive "upgrade"
>>I have ever been a victim of.
>>
>>Please help.
>>Thanks, all.
karlc wrote on 10/23/2000, 9:10 AM
We had the same experience. I would recommend either going back to
Vegas Pro, or bite the bullet and throw a ton more resources at VA/VV.

The plain truth is that it took a dual processor, 256 MB RAM and an
Ultra 160 SCSI system to gain an incremental increase in the AUIDO
performance and reliability with VV over what we had with Vegas Pro
on a PIII-350/128MB/IDE system.

Except for a ton of bugs, VV now runs quite well on the higher level
hardware, but there are still too many lingering issues and bugs with
VV and AUDIO that are just not up to the level with the last version
of VP ... hardly a week goes by that I have not considered going back
to Vegas Pro, especially when it comes to issues like synching VV
with MTC to DA-88's.

It is a damn shame ... until they shot it in the head, Vegas Pro had
the potential of being one of the best AUDIO programs on the planet.

If the 2.0b release doesn't do the job and come up to the same level
of performance and stability on the AUDIO front, we are going to be
forced to look elsewhere.

KAC ...


Larry Peter wrote:
>>I would love some advice/feedback from Vegas audio users
>>running on NT. I have previously been using Vegas pro on
>>Win95, been quite happy. I downloaded the upgrade to Vegas
>>Audio (pre-release) posted on the download site on 10/13.
>>After installing on NT I find a drastic reduction in
>>performance. I copied and opened a project started in
>>Vegas pro with 21 tracks, 2 busses, 2 assignable fx and
>>compressors/eq on all tracks. This played without a
>>stutter on Win95. In NT with Vegas audio it played with
>>sever gapping for about 5 seconds and then just stopped!
>>Never seen this before. After adjusting buffers, setting
>>graphics to 256 colors and muting 2 tracks I finally got it
>>to play the 30 second program although with severe
>>deficiencies in cursor movement and screen updating. My
>>call to customer support was answered with "we don't really
>>support this product on NT, only 98 SE/ME and 2000. That's
>>what we say on the web site." (?!?)
>>After suggesting that he check the web site (which he
>>promptly did), he returned mumbling and told me to try all
>>the things I just mentioned and said, "This new version
>>does require a bit more system overhead." If this is the
>>result of a fine audio company attempting to move its focus
>>into video appz, I must beg for an audio only product!
>>Help me out if you can. Here's my system:
>>ABIT BX6 motherbrd
>>Pentium 3/450/ 128mRAM
>>7200 rpm 12 gig sytem drive
>>7200 rpm 20 gig audio drive
>>MOnster Fusion video 16 meg
>>Delta 6X6 NT drivers ver# 4.1.17.8
>>Midiman Biport 2X4s (for SMPTE in) NT driver ver # 1.0.0
>>NT 4.0 ser pk 6 / Win95 (dual boot system)
>>Note: I have tried recording to both FAT and NTFS
>>partitions with the same results.
>>
>>If I can't get identical results (at least) without
>>building a new system, this is the most expensive "upgrade"
>>I have ever been a victim of.
>>
>>Please help.
>>Thanks, all.
PipelineAudio wrote on 10/23/2000, 8:09 PM


>>The plain truth is that it took a dual processor, 256 MB RAM and an
>>Ultra 160 SCSI system to gain an incremental increase in the AUIDO
>>performance and reliability with VV over what we had with Vegas Pro
>>on a PIII-350/128MB/IDE system.
>>
>>It is a damn shame ... until they shot it in the head, Vegas Pro
had
>>the potential of being one of the best AUDIO programs on the planet.
>>
>>If the 2.0b release doesn't do the job and come up to the same
level
>>of performance and stability on the AUDIO front, we are going to be
>>forced to look elsewhere.
>>
>>KAC ...
>>



Lemme know what you find....its getting hard to work with these
issues, while the rest of the world is moving ahead....

Truth is though, I am SPOILED by vegas' user interface and would be
hard pressed to use anything else I have seen so far...

Nuendo?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA takes you half an hour to get a damn sound
out of that thing

Xtrack? Looks good, but quite limited

Minnetonka MX.....trying hard to be vegas but no dice

Pro tools? maybe when they agree to port to more platforms and use
third party stuff without OWNING the third party stuff


Samplitude looks kinda cool, but its editor is NUTS

Maybe something new and fun is on the horizon

JohanAlthoff wrote on 10/26/2000, 6:15 AM
Hey, we're talking about the guys who wrote Sound Forge here. It's
not as if they are total rookies, you know. We'll get our stability.
I'm confident.