Ulf,
M-audio has Vista drivers for the Delta 44 under development, according to their homepage www.m-audio.com.
I have had Delta 66 for many years and have always been happy with it. Now I need something with phantom power, so I am (probably) getting a firewire box from PreSonus. Take a look at their Firebox

Tor

Well, maybe I'm a sucker, but I couldn't resist this deal on a Firewire mixer
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330165120286&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores&refitem=330161745534&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget

Thanks guys ;-)

Good to know about the 44/66 too.

/Ulf

M-Audio's XP drivers seem to work under Vista quite well for a lot of people. I don't have my Delta any more, but my MidiSport works just fine in Vista.

(Also look into RME cards as well if you want some decent cards)

Ken

Thanks Ken, I will

/Ulf

ulf maudio is great for the cards. I use the audiophile 2496 and I love it.

Especially when using asio progs like gigastudio. Using this with cubase or sonar and spectrasonics (stylus rmx ) or gigastudio just is incredible.

I say stick with maudio for now as they have great low cost solutions.

If you do buy a upgrade mtlc.net is a great place to get auido gear.

Aug

TGS:

Have you any experience with Phonic Helix products? That is a a lot of board for not many bucks - I'd love to have something like that if the product were reasonably reliable and quiet...

- Paul

Ulf:

Sorry for not posting anything to your original question! We use M-Audio products at our church to record services; I concur with some of the other responses that the products are good at a reasonable cost. We've used a couple of the Delta 44's for years w/o any problems.

Regards,
Paul

Vista did away with kernel mode drivers, and made it impossible for drivers to access DSPs the way they had been for the last decade really. Vista support for a lot of the top brands has been lagging, if they have Vista support at all. I think that there's a decent chance that for (semi) pro audio work Vista might complete the transition to USB & Firewire audio hardware, though again I haven't seen the driver/software support I expected. Seems everything audio is having problems with Vista.

I'd expect it could get interesting for XP as well, if/when hardware manufacturers develop new lines/models... Not everyone is going to want to dump expensive resources into the last OS.

It does depend on the 32/64 more than anything. A lot of hardware will work in Vista by using the XP drivers - especially in 32bit.

All my hardware except 1 webcam worked in Vista, either using Vista drivers where available, or XP where not - for example my RME card is using the XP drivers and works perfectly. My MAudio is using XP drivers and works perfectly etc etc.. In fact, oddly enough, on one of my spare machines the onbaord sound never worked - I put Vista on that machine and suddenly I had sound - that was a very odd day...

In 64bit though, there was not a lot of support from the manufacturers regardless of Xp/Vista. Vista is beginning to get them to start considering it more though at last.

In terms of signed drivers - easy to get round in 32bit too.

Manufacturers have had Vista for a while now, and some of them are really beginning to get their code optimised and working sweet in Vista.

For Paul_MP Studios
No actual experience. I've been keeping my eyes on these for a little while. I have read some fairly good reviews from other users. But I don't know their level of experience. I have one on order and it's due to arrive shortly, but I expect it to be a while before I can say anything concrete. They seem to get better write ups than the Alesis brand firewire mixers and most reviews always seem to acknowledge that the inputs are low noise.
I'm expecting the knobs to feel a little on the flimsy side, but I am also expecting it to work pretty well for my needs. I don't really care about the built in effects, but I'll experiment. I don't believe anybody actually has zero latency even if they claim to. I've heard in a couple of reviews, about 4ms latency on this one. I just want multiple inputs that I can record all at once, to their own separate track with low noise. I should have at least 14 with this one. (counting stereo tracks that I can split later)

TGS, is that ebay mixer a control/audio interface.. is it a soundcard as well as control interface?

does anything exist out there that works with vegas 100%??
i want a control/audio sound card that will interface with vegas...
move the fader on the mixer/ moves in vegas...
something i can run mics into, and rout it to whatever track i want in vegas...

would the tascam FW-1082 do this?

thanks
pj

pjrey,
As far as I know, this is merely a mixer. No sound card or control, except monitoring. At this price, no way you're going to get motorized faders
This may only be a cheap way for me to get multiple inputs and, hopefully, a decent quality sound signal.
Again, except for the 100% part, I believe I've heard farss say the type you want, do exist. Probably expensive. But will move motorized faders. Here's a paste & patch of what he said:
{{I haven't read a post about any firewire mixer tha ships with ASIO drivers not working with Vegas. Take your pick, Alesis, Phonic, Mackie, MOTU. About the only problems I've read about was with some Yamaha kit but I think that was just getting the automation to work.
You do realise that Vegas also does Automation?
Like if you have a HUI it'll drive the motorised faders up and down and you can write the envelopes by moving the touch sensitive faders. Heck you can even use the scroll wheel on your mouse for this or a cheap gaming joystick to write surround panning envelopes.
Now you know why you bought Vegas!}}

It's nice having a resident genius who can lay out this information, because I've been waiting for years to know this was possible.
I should be able to route any input to whatever track I want with the Phonic Helix.
Although I will be recording live, I'll be performing too, so I'll have to have it right from the start. I can't afford an engineer.
I can't comment on the tascam

i thougth this had audio in's...
what i would love! is if i could use my yamaha 8track.. that records to MD, and port it into vegas.. i dislike recording directly to my computer.. i just don't like it..
i want my computer for mixing and mastering...
what exists?
i have searched hi and low.. to no avail...
--- i dont think such a thing exists.. so i am looking instead for an 8-in mixer/soundcard... that works with vegas
where can i get one?

pj

I can't argue with that, I originally wanted a 16 track Yamaha, stand alone recorder, but the cost is too high for me.
Originally, I was looking at the M-Audio Delta 1010, which is a sound card with multiple inputs and outputs (8 each). It's only $199 and has good specs. They also have one with a break-out box, so you don't have to worry about pulling the cables out of your sound card, but it's $399. Check 'em out here:
http://www.zzounds.com/prodsearch?q=M-audio+1010&button=%3CIMG+src%3D%22%2F%2Fcachepe.zzounds.com%2Flayout%2Fzzounds%2Fpageheader%2FactionButton.gif%22%3E&form=search

Also, the Presonis, mentioned by others, should be able to do this too.
EDIT: actually, you should be able to use any firewire mixer and port to separate channels too, as long as you have enough inputs on it. I'm assuming you're talking about recording first and transferring afterwards.
I used to be able to use up to 6 inputs on my old Creative Audigy, but most will tell you the specs are really bad on those cards.

thanks TGS.. but i want hardware too, a board that i can mix, physically....
i don't like using the mouse when im working on a mix...

p

I'm assuming you want only a motorized board then.
Because I've been trying to say, that even with the mixer I'm getting, you could plug each of your 8 channels into the mixer and either get 8 separate channels into your PC via firewire or take a mix in stereo out of the mixer. Yes, you can physically mix the phonic helix.
You'd plug your 8 track recorder into separate inputs and either take 8 outputs or using busses, 2 or whatever to Vegas. This can be done via Firewire and would probably work with your existing soundcard, unless the specs of your soundcard aren't as good as you'd like. You could even take your stereo monitor out of the mixer and plug it into your line in of existing soundcard
Keep in mind, Phonix Helix is one of the least expensive mixers, so it probably doesn't have a pro feel.
You probably want something my MOTU or Mackie