Yup....I even have them on the windows..... normal, every-day locks. I don't change them once a week, or tweek them, or upgrade them, or try to invent new ones every other month. They work for the most part on people who respect them. But I know for a fact they won't do a dam thing for the people who want to test them, or get beyond them.

I even have them on the windows..... normal, every-day locks. They work for the most part on people who respect them.

So why do you bother with locks?

So why do you bother with locks?

1) My insurance people insist

2) It will take the more disrespectful people a few more minutes to break in thereby giving me more time to react should I be home.

So why do you bother with locks?

Seems like you answered your own first question, yes?

Seems like you answered your own first question, yes?

No.

As I said:

..... normal, every-day locks. I don't change them once a week, or tweek them, or upgrade them, or try to invent new ones every other month.

BD+ has proven no better than the every-day cheapy protection found on dvd's... or in other words..... normal every-day locks.

It HAS on the other hand interfered with normal operations of honest people. Load times are longer... some machines aren't working properly... etc.

Question:
I'm not sure why they don't just give up on this copy protection stuff....

"Do you have locks on your doors? Yup....I even have them on the windows..... normal, every-day locks. I don't change them once a week, or tweek them, or upgrade them, or try to invent new ones every other month. They work for the most part on people who respect them. But I know for a fact they won't do a dam thing for the people who want to test them, or get beyond them. cks on your doors?

Why?
1) My insurance people insist

....which part of the question did one of us miss?

Have you accidentally locked your keys in your car? House? Office?

Wouldn't you consider that action as an inconvenience to you, the property owner?

It was supposed to be ....."FURTHERING copy protection"

And yes I have lost my keys the odd time... and it is an inconvenience, but it would also be classified an accident of my own accord and stupidity.... BD+ is not an accident but rather an unnecessary inconvenience. Nothing wrong with normal protection.

Well, I have locks on my house, not to keep out the burglar who really wants to get in (no way to keep him out), but the kid in the neighborhood who might walk in and take stuff if there were no locks.

Do you have locks on the doors of your house?

I know what you're getting at here... i had locks @ my old place. Never used them. Ever. Front & sliding glass door never locked. Didn't even have a key. Only reason I locked the car was to keep the kids out. I fully understand if Sony is worried their manufactures in China will try to rip & sell pirated BD's. 100% understand that!

;)

This is a good and informative exchange.

if BD really degrades playback or makes things a lot slower (I don't own a player yet so I don't have any idea from my own experience), then I'd change my tune.

The great thing about car locks on new cars is that they are easier to deal with than the older car lock technology. No need to even insert the key in the door: just push the button on the gizmo attached on the keychain and the doors unlock and, on my van, the slide doors open. Plus, I can push the panic button and sound an alarm if I need to.

I'm guessing that's what's missing in the BD implementation and so much of the other DRM in Vista and elsewhere: features for the user.

So, is there something in the BD copy protection scheme that, when compared to DVD DeCss, makes life better/easier for ME? If not, why not?

No need to even insert the key in the door: just push the button on the gizmo attached on the keychain and the doors unlock

You have to "push the button on the gizmo attached on the keychain"?

Tsk, tsk...

I just walk up to my car and pull the handle to open the door.

No, it doesn't work for anyone else.

Because I have the gizmo in my pocket, and it is my Sesame Open Up love token for the car, communicating wirelessly over short distances, encrypted of course.

This "pushing a button" business sounds like hard work :O).

And now the first non-beta BD+ removing version of AnyDVD HD has been released. I have to admit, Slysoft does a remarkable job for a small outfit.

Speaking as a customer of theirs that uses the products exclusively to backup my own legally purchased DVDs (which isn't illegal in Canada anyway, since we don't have to deal with the draconian DMCA), I very much appreciate their hard work and the devotion they seem to have to customer service. They easily could've charged an additional upgrade fee for BD+ removal, as it was never explicitly stated the feature would eventually be incorporated when the AACS-only version first came out. Especially considering the time and resources that went into breaking BD+.

Perhaps now, studios can put their efforts into one of the more important aspects of Blu-Ray production that has so far been neglected: bonus content. Certainly, all this copy protection is a waste of effort. The majority of Slysoft's customers just want to backup things they've bought; you can hardly run a massive bootleg business from your home computer and burner.

"...one of the more important aspects of Blu-Ray production that has so far been neglected: bonus content."

You mean you actually watch that stuff?

" Do you have locks on your house?"

Yes, but I totally fail to see what this has to do with the issue. I [i]paid[/d] for those locks. If you can't sleep at night unless you have a perimeter fence of razor wire and a loaded gun under your pillow I'm fine with that. But please don't expect me and the rest of us to pay for it. This is what Sony et al have done, we are being taxed to pay for their protection. Even if we never want to play one of their disks we still pay for their protection in hardware and software costs.

Bob.

The long term impact of having no infallible copy protection for optical disks is that downloadable content will win out, because that copy protection scheme can constantly adapt.

Well, the military changes their codes and books about once per month to prevent infiltration because they really don't want anyone to crack it. Sony would have to have a root kit installed on your computer which would automatically connect to the Sony website to get the exact code for that disc to be played, probably only one time. That would be just awfull.
JJK

You mean you actually watch that stuff?

If it's a movie or something that I enjoy, and there's a well-made documentary, or commentary or some other thing included; sure, why not? Movies and that industry have always been quite an interest of mine, which is partially why I started working with Vegas myself not too long ago; and (good) bonus content on a DVD gives insight into what goes into making some of them.

What dissapoints me about the HD discs so far is that they sometimes seem to lack bonus content that's included on the regular DVD release. The BBC release of Planet Earth is one example; the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray versions have none of the bonus material included in the DVD.

**What dissapoints me about the HD discs so far is that they sometimes seem to lack bonus content that's included on the regular DVD release. The BBC release of Planet Earth is one example; the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray versions have none of the bonus material included in the DVD.**

Yes, but .....
You'll be able to buy them again when they can do that. Full price too

The problem with any type of playback copy protection is that the "keys" to the lock must be provided to the person trying to break in. It's only a matter of time before the "keys" are found.

And outside of a bank vault (and even they are cracked!), it seems that most security systems are there to "keep honest people honest." In regard to DVD, HD-DVD, and BD copy protection mechanisms, I would imagine that for the vast majority of users these copy protection systems have done just that.

The Music/Film Industry sells albums/cassettes/videotapes to the public.
The public purchases millions... they make copies (some get them for free)

The Music/Film industry sells CD's/DVD's to the public.
The public purchases millions... they make copies (some get them for free)

The Music/Film industry sells CD's/DVD's/downloadable content to the public with copy protection.
The public purchases millions... they break the copy protection and make copies (some get them for free)

The Music Industry sells downloadable music via iTunes and Amazon for reasonable cost without copy protection.
The public purchases millions without copy protection. Uh, no need to break copy protection!!! (people still make backup copies... some still get them for free... most reasonable people willing to pay reasonable amount)

The Film Industry continues to try to sell video media with copy protection.
The public purchases millions... they break the copy protection (some get them for free)

People always make copies... they always will. If the music/film industries EVER think that people will purchase media with "uncrackable" copy protection, they're insane. I won't buy a CD, DVD, or Blu-ray disc that I can't backup or crack to make a backup. I do not illegally download music or movies. But I'm not paying $12-20 for a fragile piece of plastic that my kids can scratch once and I have to buy again. I'll GLADLY pay $9.99 for a downloadable DRM-free album or movie. I'll GLADLY pay $15-20 for a DRM-free Blu-ray movie. But if they think I'm not making backup copies... err, okay.

My gripe with DRM is not that companies want to protect their intellectual property, but that they seem to have no clue on any way to do it effectively and without putting huge burdens on legitimate customers.

Just take an hour or two and scan the net for examples of horror stories where people have lost access to songs, movies, or games which they purchased (oh, wait, to the companies, none of us actually "buy" any of these; rather, we purchase the privilege of enjoying their product, but we don't own even our own copy of it). Some of the worst, most recent examples are with the xbox 360 (another reason I won't buy it). I guess my wii may have some protection, but it's completely transparent to me, and has never caused me any issue, so it doesn't bother me.

So far, all I see DRM doing is
(a) adding to the cost of the final product, since it costs companies hundreds of millions to implement;
(b) add risk to honest customers
(c) limit customers' use of the products
(d) do nothing to deter real pirates

Myself, I won't buy DRM music. I either buy the CD and rip it to my hard drive (and yes, you can tell me how evil I am, but I love the convenience of listening to it in iTunes over sticking a CD in my drive), or I'll buy the slightly more expensive DRM-free version of the song.

Well, kudos to the company here who pretty much made a mockery of bluray's latest DRM. Frankly, I love it. Yes, I hate piracy, but I'm irritated with the lack of creativity on the parts of companies, and their total lack of concern for legitimate customers.

Heh, I hope this company keeps it up.

Myself, I won't buy DRM music. I either buy the CD and rip it to my hard drive (and yes, you can tell me how evil I am, but I love the convenience of listening to it in iTunes over sticking a CD in my drive), or I'll buy the slightly more expensive DRM-free version of the song.

It's not at all illegal to rip songs from your CD to your hard drive, so not sure why you'd think it was "evil."