OT - Asset management

vicmilt wrote on 4/20/2010, 4:46 PM
Up until recently, I had NO problems with asset management.

I simply got a new HD for every new project.
I'd then put EVERYTHING on that drive, from scripts to media to art to VEG files, music, even scans of talent releases, etc.

By doing that, I found that even years after I finished a project... if I had to revise it (with new product or pricing or whatever), I'd instantly remember most of what went where, and even better, more or less where I had stored it all. And of course, finding the SEARS 2004 job was as easy as reading the label on the box.

But I DID have over 80 drives - all neatly packed in little white boxes on the shelf. One of my major fears was the flooding that follows many hurricanes - and I live in Florida.

Lately thought, two major things have occurred in my life - both of which have thrown me for a loop.

First - no more videotape (or digital tape, if you please).
So that 'well, we've always got the tape' for archive feeling is gone, and it's damn frightening. I still get a clutch in my stomach every time I format a CF card.

Second - Hard drives became so darn cheap that I decided to stack everything on to some MUCH bigger storage. Where before I was using 80gig to 100gig drives for each job, the demands of the new Uber HiDef footage I'm currently producing require much more space. But no matter - after all, the drives are so CHEAP.

So I carefully began to compile all my smaller drives onto much larger ones. The (huge) advantage - everything searchable in one place. And WAY less to carry in the event of evacuation.

The problem? Now I can't find ANYTHING.

Once I realized that there would be no more "let's get back to the tape", I decided to backup every job I had TWICE. A "working drive" and an "Archive". But now i don't have any idea where ANYTHING except the last few jobs are located. Further, while I'm archiving onto single drives, I'm forced to EDIT off of striped arrays. So my workflow is :
Edit on arry
Archive to single drive
Archive THAT to second other Archive drive.
Changing or renewing projects has become a nightmare.

Does anyone have a media management solution to this conundrum?
BTW - I'm including thousands of still photos along with my thousands of hours of original footage.

What to do?

v

Comments

farss wrote on 4/20/2010, 5:37 PM
This is clearly one huge issue for the industry. Avid are still king of the mountain because they seem to have the only viable solution.
Not that we need to be running Unity servers, I doubt you need 5 editors working on the one project at once.

SCS were demoing an asset management system working with Vegas at NAB. Again this isn't exactly cheap and is probably overkill.

Here's what I do. Label all my drives so the the labels can be easily seen. I use the Brother P-Touch system, best we've found for labelling non flat surfaces and the foil labels are very thin. Highly recommend for everything we have in this game e.g. wall warts etc.

Then I use an Excel Spreadsheet, one worksheet per drive, to track what's on what drive. It is not ideal, it is manual and only works as well as how thorough you are.

One day I'll write something better, an offline directory system, probably using VBA and Access. The concept is simple. Connect a drive, tell app where it is and the app updates the database. Obviously add some extra tags to help searching, maybe add thumbnails as well. Easy enough for stills, not so certain if I could pull this off for video files.

Bob.
vicmilt wrote on 4/20/2010, 5:54 PM
Go Bob!!

... and put me down for two copies (I'll give one to Grazie).

v
Xander wrote on 4/20/2010, 6:34 PM
I have a Thecus N5200 Pro NAS system I just upgraded from 5 TB (4 available using RAID-5) to 10 TB (8 available using RAID-5) plus I back it up onto removable 1.5 TB drives which keep at the office. I still use folder names for organizing stuff and it is a PITA. I too wish there was some viable system for the small business / home environment. Seems like you can either get video or photo or document or audio management, but nothing that seems to do it all well.
Steve Mann wrote on 4/20/2010, 9:43 PM
There used to be a product named "Infinidisk" by Chili Pepper Software, later bought by Cheyenne Software, later bought by CA (Computer Associates), who apparently killed the product.

Infinidisk indexed your collection of floppy disk directories and presented itself as a directory tree. You could name or number your floppies and if you needed a file, Infinidisk would tell you which floppy you needed.

I have the 1992 Shareware version somewhere, and recently thought that I should resurrect it to keep track of my library of hard-disks.
rmack350 wrote on 4/20/2010, 10:33 PM
There have been quite a few programs like this that were meant to catalog people's CD collections. I don't know if anything is up to the task of cataloging so much material but certainly these things must have been cataloging music and pictures.

Maybe Google "Offline disc cataloger"

Rob Mack
ushere wrote on 4/20/2010, 10:53 PM
bob, you've got another order here!!

and what i'd give for scenealyser in hdv.

meanwhile, anyone with any other thoughts, please post.

leslie

btw. still shoot tape along with cf - though the tape goes straight on the shelf (after clearly labelling!)
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 4/21/2010, 11:09 AM
I guess I would just run a windows home server.

Dave