OT:coming new HD TVs- 3820 x 2160

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Toshiba lets out Cell TV titbits



By Tony Smith in Las Vegas

7th January 2009 19:48 GMT

CES Toshiba today re-iterated its plan to introduce tellies based on the Cell processor later this year, pronouncing the PlayStation 3 technology "the future of television".

It didn't provide all the details, alas, but Toshiba did reveal rather more than it has before about the top-of-the-range TVs that will use Cell and ship under the Regza brand.

Interestingly, it'll be a two-unit offering comprising a skinny panel with all the internals in a separate set-top box. The panel with have a resolution of 3820 x 2160 - four times that of a standard full HD set.

Handling the 1080p upscaling will be the Cell in the set-top box. Like Toshiba's current Resolution+ upscaling tech - itself derived from Cell components - Cell will apply some clever algorithms that will yield a '4k by 2k' picture that doesn't look upscaled - "no artefacts" - Toshiba claimed.

Resolution+ can do this too, but Cell can do it in a third of the time, giving it headroom to also cast up a 3D animated UI on the panel and to handle the DVR-style recording of six HD TV channels simultaneously.

The set-top box will also be able to stream said recordings across a local network to other screens - more than one at once, too - and has SD card, USB, DNLA and internet TV support. Phew.

Back to the panel, and it'll have an array of LED backlights behind it instead of edge-mounted illumination, the better to run the backlight in harmony with the picture being shown on the panel.

When will all this telly goodness arrive? In the past, Toshiba has pointed to a late 2009 release, but at CES the company simply said the Cell-based TVs will be "marketed in 2009", which isn't necessarily the same thing as selling it. We shall see. ®

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Comments

JJKizak wrote on 1/7/2009, 4:26 PM
I guess we will need a gazillion core processor to edit this stuff.
JJK
AtomicGreymon wrote on 1/7/2009, 5:00 PM
It might make a good computer monitor, but as a television it'll be pointless without native 3820x2160 footage. That aspect ratio isn't even 16x9... who came up with that? If they weren't going to go 16x9, they could've at least gone with one of the full 4k resolutions.

A lot of that technology sounds useful, but that level of resolution is a pointless frill; and being introduced far too early. Even the most hyped-up early adopters will eventually get to the point where this crap will be coming out too fast for them to be able to afford it; even the ones foolish enough to spend all their extra money on this stuff years before the technology is mature.

It's not like the average consumer can really appreciate 1080p over 720p; Toshiba will most likely be relying on people's overgrown egos and stupidity to sell these TVs.
Coursedesign wrote on 1/7/2009, 5:08 PM
...and nobody will ever need more than 640K memory, as Bill Gates famously said.

Many people think that increased resolution is only about getting more sharpness and detail.

It isn't.

Why would anyone need the 21MP of today's Digital SLRs, unless they were shooting for movie posters all day?

Umm, turns out the tonal gradation from these looks much better even in smaller prints. Ditto for TV screens.

So is it possible to fake resolution to get an improved tonal range? Quite likely, how well remains to be seen.

AtomicGreymon wrote on 1/7/2009, 5:15 PM
...and nobody will ever need more than 640K memory, as Bill Gates famously said.

I realize that, but I still maintain it's a bit early to be coming out with displays at that resolution. Ultimately, there's only so high they can go before it becomes pointless to a human eye; and normal 1080p HDTVs have just barely really matured as a technology in the last 7 or 8 months. If they keep upping the resolutions at this rate, they'll run out of room awfully fast. And only the very stupidest of consumers are dumb enough to go buy a new flat-panel TV every 2 years.
Coursedesign wrote on 1/7/2009, 5:25 PM
As you said, 1080p wasn't normal 7 or 8 months ago.

Now it is :O).

Just like with new cars, most people will upgrade their HDTVs only every 5/10/20 years.

Spot|DSE wrote on 1/7/2009, 5:46 PM
And only the very stupidest of consumers are dumb enough to go buy a new flat-panel TV every 2 years.

Well...I've been colored "stupid" before. ;-)
Skuzzy wrote on 1/7/2009, 6:10 PM
Hmmm,....maybe Toshiba has something else up thier sleeves. Worth keeping an eye on them.
GlennChan wrote on 1/7/2009, 9:00 PM
Some companies are working on affordable 4k content delivery... e.g. Redray.

Though I suspect in the future it might be a good idea to do some sort of Internet/IP based delivery with playback on a computer. If there's a Cell in there... that's like a computer and it would be able to handle future formats.

2- I suspect that if one is going to manufacture very large LCDs panels, you might as well make it 4xHD (or 4K). I don't think it would cost them a lot to do so? And it's going to be a premium item anyways.

There are some minor advantages to display HD material on a 4xHD screen versus a 1920x1080 screen. On a 1920x1080 screen you'd be able to see the pixel structure... the RGB stripes of a LCD.... if the screen is large enough / you're sitting close enough. That doesn't entirely work.

CES Toshiba today re-iterated its plan to introduce tellies based on the Cell processor later this year, pronouncing the PlayStation 3 technology "the future of television".
I think they were saying that they'd put the Cell into TVs a long time ago. I guess we have to wait some more. :)
TheHappyFriar wrote on 1/8/2009, 6:04 AM
shouldn't comas as a surprise. According to wikipedia, 3840×2160 has been an approved HD resolution. "Quad HDTV for DCI Cinema 4k standard format,"
JJKizak wrote on 1/8/2009, 10:54 AM
The aspect ratio is 1.7685185 which is close enough.
JJK