OT - Do You Buy @ iTunes + Have PayPal? Track 4 Study Needed

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 5/8/2017, 9:14 AM



I've had many interactions with some of the veterans of this forum. so hopefully someone will respond. Ultimately this is for me to study a track to compose for a video. For leisure, too.

LE FAVOR - if you are in a position to extend it:
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First, do you buy music from iTunes?
If answer is no, then, ignore this posting and cruise on.

But I'll lay out my situation anyway just in case you do:

There is a track by by Moby that I can't buy individually where I usually by MP3s - Amazon. The only way to get it there is to buy the whole album (probably due to that his has been used and film and TV).

On a fixed disability income, I do not want to spend ten times more for one song.

The ONLY legitimate place to find and purchase it as single purchase: iTunes (I'm in the U.S. so see that one).

For some reason, my Windows 7 based iTunes went kaput and I spent way, way too much time trying to hack/uninstall/reinstall/fix it to no avail. Even went through trying to install in Safe "Network" Mode.

It all messed things up. Had to do a whole Acronis OS restore.

(Why is it that Apple software is so finicky and leaves so much junk behind when uninstalled?
Rhetorical, don't answer - lol.)

I would naturally reimburse the USD $ 0.99 for that track and the only online modality I have is via PayPal.

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Last but not least:

The default purchase is in the Mac audio format, NOT an MP3 (which is what I need). When I had iTunes working there was the option to convert the Mac format to MP3.

Closing this post is the iTunes page for that album or collection, and the track I wish to buy is number 21 on the page:

21. Memory Gospel

A rather melancholy song and repetitive, but somehow it's jiving with me, putting my in a from of silent reflective trance or something. And I want to study it and make my own composition at some point.

The opening image which is stock that I customized sort of sums up what it feels like to me...

Below the track list link, is a link to Moby's official YouTube copy of the song. This so you know for sure that this is the track when you listen to the 30 sec. iTunes preview.

I'm too ethic compulsive to steal it (by downloading the video and stripping out the audio as an MP3). Respect for artist's rights and copyrights, etc. I'm old fashioned.

The track is 6:43 min. so the MP3 file should fit as attachment to an email.

Anyway, I hope someone I know or anyone else can help out. PM me and we can take it from there.
Thank You.

~ Philip 

iTunes (U.S.) Track Listing for Moby Album/Collection
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/play-play-b-sides/id281242279

Moby's official YouTube copy. So you can recognize the track.

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Comments

SphinxRa40 wrote on 5/10/2017, 7:13 AM

Are you serious with all this effort for one track of an artist? or is the Fbi living next door ?😇😆

wwjd wrote on 5/10/2017, 1:37 PM

What does this mean: "to study a track to compose for a video" ??

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 5/10/2017, 5:05 PM

@SphinxRa40 and @wwjd  - I don't understand either the cynisim or potential implied snark in either of your answers, and frankly I don't recognize your usernames. Usually over the 10 years I've been here, people would take one's statements at face value. But since you seem to need and explanation:

I want to have an mp3 copy to put into a track in Cubase Steinberg matching its tempo (happens to be 97 bpm) as a template in terms of bars and chord progressions and the slow crescendo of addition of instruments (pads, then piano),

Then use my Korg workstation to play/compose/arramge my own chords, i.e. reversing the "decrescendo" chord order of this piece or use others entirely as baseline, and using my own custom drum tracks.

Then also play a melodic counter melody over it as the piece intensifies (think "Bolero"), i.e. gliding sustained horns and/or lead guitar notes in the tradition of slow David Gilmour riffs.

In short, what artists have done over eons - look at other people's work, learn from it and create one's own.

As I stated, I'm to ethic compulsive to illegally download his official video and strip out the audio to do that and don't have access to purchase the track due to the above mentioned. I want to do it the right way.

Enough 'splanation for you? If not, no need to reply. Hopefully someone else will actually understand the logic of the purpose of this request.

Thank you.

~ PSK

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 5/10/2017, 5:15 PM

And just in case you doubt that I do have musical genes, here is a recent piece by me - all instruments including MIDI drum tracks and phrasing by me. And yes, the "surprise" in the coda or ending was used with direct permission from the relevant foundation/estate.

► FREE AT LAST - (Preliminary Arrangement Only)

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 5/10/2017, 5:26 PM

P.S.: And mentioning the FBI - wt...? Even for USD $0.99 I want to pay back the person for the purchase and sending the track to me, hence the PayPal factor. Perfectly legal as well as what mature people do, IMO.

Former user wrote on 5/10/2017, 10:33 PM

http://www.cduniverse.com/checkout/cart.asp?dlid=33218960&style=mp3

I don't know anything about this company, but you can search reviews.

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 5/11/2017, 12:36 AM

http://www.cduniverse.com/checkout/cart.asp?dlid=33218960&style=mp3

I don't know anything about this company, but you can search reviews.

Thanks for taking the time to find this. CD Universe has been around since at least the late 90s.
HOWEVER...

I always look for legit business grading and verification, i.e. BBB/Better Business Bureau and the like. CD Universe is supposedly ranked by "BizRate" which seems like a scam from the lousy reviews of Bizrate (https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.bizrate.com).

So I'm very skeptical at this point. BizRate is NOT a true BBB type outfit at all. Then... On top of that, they have ads for "adult toys", lingerie and the like. Sleaze operation it appears.

A Facebook friend sent me to a page - a relatively slick, well-layed out iTune-like page. BUT it's one of those pirated content type sites. Its only says "Download" - no price. Only "business" info or contact is an email address.

Again, I don't mess with scams or copyright infringement.

ushere wrote on 5/11/2017, 3:00 AM

hi soniclight,

whilst i appreciate your honest intentions and admire you for them, i do question two things:

a. if you are going to change the piece of music substantially, then using the original as an offline reference seems to strike me as fair artistic use.

b. unless your production is commercial and intended for general sale, i wouldn't worry about downloading the track, and if in the event of it being commercial and substantially different, simply giving credit for 'inspiration' to the original composer would suffice.

i'm in no way advocating using another's work without either fair recompense or acknowledgement, but i think you're taking it a bit too far under the circumstances.

good luck with the project.

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 5/11/2017, 6:15 AM

@ushere - Ha, a familiar name (you're one of the veteran members. Seems I remember your username from when I first joined in 2006).

Due to that even though Nick Hope tried to help me with staff at Magix to fix the profile transfer, it became a protracted no-results affair, and so I'm keeping my new username, Soniclight-2.0. Original was simply Soniclight. No biggie.

As to your perspective, I agree with the spirit of it since I am in no way even sampling or using the track or any part of it. Just as an "OK, there's what's going on in his track at bars x and y, and what pads and instruments can I play as a derivative yet completely built-from-scratch composition?" I

I'll even most likely add a chorus - which this piece does not have. It's a mild Bolero crescendo of 4-chord verses looped. Very common in ambient and such music these days.

All that said, and perhaps it's in part that regardless of my long ago let go of very strict Benedictine Catholic and overall Catholic upbringing (they're like Jesuits) that as much as I ended up rebelling against them in my teens and early 20s by getting stoned, going to Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, etc. concerts in the 70s, there are some moral codes I have kept.

One of them, "Do not steal. Especially when it's so easy to do so (and I'm referring to the availability on the Net.)" It's also about people...

Over the years the issue of use of music and other content and copyrights have been a cyclical subject here at this board. And as the pros that many are - Farss, John Meyer, Musicvid10 and others, the consensus has always been to err on the side of ethics and the law. Hell, just plain old professionalism.

One story that stuck with me is the one of the guy who invented Superman who became a boost to U.S. troops during WWII before it became a film franchise was discovered in some flee-bag hotel or such, penniless.

Because they screwed him out of rights to his work early on (something like a measly few thousand dollars, little to no royalties thereafter...). Many old time blues artists are dealing with the same kind of thing.

Fortunately there are decent people in such professions that take care of their own and have done so.

So besides principle (however strict it may seem to most) its my siding with my fellow artistes too. Even the rich-beyond-needs ones. You do the work, you should get paid. Simple as that. And, hey, it may all be an age thing too. Turned 62 this year (Yiiiiiikes...)

And I'm definitely digressing and going off-topic here,
SO, got some good win-win news on the OP's subject:

I finally lucked out. I recall Google Play as similar to Spotify - one could only listen to chosen and paid for tracks online. I was wrong or they changed it. They DO have that track as a single purchase and I bought it about 20 minutes ago. It's now snugly on my PC. Legally.

Hang in there long enough on principle, things usually work out.

IN SHORT: Case closed. And thanks for your posting.

~ Philip
 

ushere wrote on 5/11/2017, 7:30 AM

glad you got it sorted according to your ethics :-)

Soniclight-2.0 wrote on 5/11/2017, 8:16 AM

@ushere - Thanks. Now, don't get the impression that I'm a saint or hyper virtuous. Yes, I live a a rather high code of conduct by choice (and also earlier in life live-and-learn), but I still skirt a few minor things in life that fall in to the category of "the spirit rather than the letter of the law (or rules)".

But as long I am not harming anyone in anyway or blatantly going against their wishes, I let myself slide. I'll keep my confessions to myself. With one exception:

Back in my youth, one could go to a record store and listen to a while LP prior to deciding to buy it. The standard 30 sec. previews at iTune, Amazon are at best too short and at worst algorhythm generated. So what one hears is not IMO indicative of the elan of a song. So I "cheat"....

I listen to full YouTube videos of a song so as to make a decision whether I will buy it. There too, I try to do so at an artist's own official channel, but if not available, I'll listen to the illegally uploaded. Hopefully that also inspires others to then go buy the real deal. In too many cases, probably not.

So this is one of those self-permitted "gray areas." Digital version of those record store booths (and bars using headphones)... :)

At Facebook or other online sharing platforms however, I very very rarely put up a link to an illegal song. It's got to be the artist's channel or what at YouTube is termed "Topic" - which is an arrangement between the record company and artist to publish a "library" of some works. Often times its those that never passed the LP and CD releases. So those are nice to have.

NRN/No reply necessary.
Hasta la whenever next time.

~ Philip