OT-Graphics card recommends

Jessariah67 wrote on 12/22/2020, 8:56 AM

Hey All,

I'm getting ready to have a new computer built. Since VP17, I've been having stability issues - Vegas "crashes" almost every time I close it, and it hangs up a lot more than it ever did prior to VP17 (I'm on 18 now).

Playback smoothness and overall stability is more important to me than rendering speed. I don't game at all. I use After Effects a lot, but don't do anything with complex 3D or particle animations/compositing.

Stability. Stability. Stability.

I'm currently looking at Nvidia's RTX series, and was looking for opinions on the 3060 vs. 3070 or 3080 - price vs. performance. I want to get a good card (I know they all are "good cards"), but I don't want to get more than I need, either.

Also - I run 5 monitors. I'm currently using a GTX 1060 6G, and even though it has 5 outputs, it only runs four monitors at a time, so I know I will likely have to add that to the mix, or go off of the built in GPU for the fifth monitor, like I do now.

I'll spend $3K+ on a system if it's going to make a difference, I just don't want to jack up features that I "don't need."

Thanks for any input.

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lenard wrote on 12/22/2020, 9:22 AM

Have a look at this thread, and the conclusion the author makes at end of his first message

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/nvidia-3660-ti-vegas-18-benchmarks--126075/

It's about the 3060ti, and it's very slow in Vegas, the conclusion is that it's just a pathetic card, however in other video editors it really is as good as a rtx2080Super, but we're not seeing that performance in Vegas, so I would suggest Vegas needs to be updated to be able to support rtx3060ti cards. This would be true of all 3000 series cards. It's been a long time since a vegas update so I hope in near future we'll get improvements with the new cards

 

michael-harrison wrote on 12/22/2020, 9:36 AM

One thing that's made a huge difference in stability for my usage of Vegas is to have a machine that is *only* used for video editing. Not code development, not gaming, not any fricking thing that isn't in support of making one form of video or another. I've got a variety of tools installed from AE, VP, Nuke, Houdini, Affinity, etc.

I only use the studio drivers and upgrade them only when there's a clear need or word on the street is that there's no downside. Same goes for the other drivers and system utilities (where I have that control).

I do everything else on my laptop, which I still sometimes use for video editing.

I haven't gone so far as to airgap the machine but it's tempting sometimes when a windows update comes in and I wonder what's going to stop working properly.

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

Jessariah67 wrote on 12/22/2020, 9:46 AM

@lenard That thread seems to be conflicting in its conclusion - isn't it recommending the 3060 at the end? Otherwise, it looks as if the 2080ti would be a better fit for what I'm looking for.

Like I said, I'm more interested in stability and playback handling than render speeds.

Thanks for the input. Anybody else chiming in would be great as well!

TheRhino wrote on 12/22/2020, 12:21 PM

@Jessariah67 Sorry about my conflicting conclusion... IMO Vegas does not scale-up well with pricier GPUs, so you can spend 2X to 3X the $400 this 3060 Ti costs and not see a big difference in performance. The 3060 Ti is a $400 GPU with ray tracing & DLSS that performs as good or better as anything in this price range, including the used market... I don't think we will see the 2080 Ti hit $400 on the used market any time soon...

Here is the link to the main Vegas benchmarking page:
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/benchmarking-results-continued--118503/?page=1

Last changed by TheRhino on 12/22/2020, 2:09 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

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Jessariah67 wrote on 12/22/2020, 1:04 PM

@TheRhino I think the confusion is on my end - I don't think I was distinguishing between 3060 and 3660.

It's the 3660 that you are recommending, yes? I'm actually not finding it online, so I'm wondering if it's a typo...

Jessariah67 wrote on 12/22/2020, 11:56 PM

It actually looks as if AMD might be the way to go...?

lenard wrote on 12/23/2020, 12:33 AM

My replies here keep getting deleted by a mod without explanation. As I have no idea what I can and can't say about the newer AMD and Nvidia GPU's I"ll have to refrain until I get an explanation. I"m sure others will have some good info.

Paul-Jonack wrote on 4/20/2022, 4:17 AM

hello, question of the day, has someone a rtx3060 and Vegas 17 ? My RTX3060 works insanely slow on Vegas 17. I have all new studio drivers, enabled gpu acceleration and everything. i reseted vegas and my windows. my old rx 470 8gb was much faster. my rtx3060 runs only at 30%

Jessariah67 wrote on 4/20/2022, 4:44 AM

Something's wrong there - I was running VP17 on a 1060 and it was fine. I've had 18 and 19 on a 3060 ti. Other than the usual Vegas crashes that seem to happen regardless, I've noticed much better performance - especially in the rendering with the NVIDIA encoding, so the card works fine for me (in a later version).

Former user wrote on 4/20/2022, 6:04 AM

@Jessariah67 Hi. at the moment with Vegas's setup i would be looking at the RX series, if you look at the chart you can see playback at the end - Average Frame - the RTX are well down the list, i get an average of 13fps. 😒

And it's the same for Render Time, If i was to put my time on there i would be 14th just above the last RTX 3060 😒

Stability in Vegas can be affected by the things above, playback performance etc. if it's running slow or struggling a bit it will stall/crash if you click on something in Vegas but is more to do with the media you're using & Vegas itself rather than what PC you have, provided you have/buy one that's above recommended specs,

Specs for my PC are in my Signature at the bottom of this comment