OT: HDV: what you need to know

FrigidNDEditing wrote on 1/3/2005, 10:40 AM
I know this isn't a VASST Forum, OR and HDV forum etc... but I just finished VASST's book HDV: what you need to know, and though I thought I knew a good bit of information about SD, and a little about HDV, I still learned things about both. I suggest that EVERYONE (especially those who don't really know a lot about DV) buy this book or maybe borrow it from a friend if you know someone who has it. (I'm sure that Spot would be happier if you buy it ;-) This book is, in my opinion, well worth $25 and probably a must have for anyone.

You may not agree, but so many users of this forum are pretty in-experienced and this book could give them a lot of much needed information about DV and HDV.

Just one man's opinion here.

Comments

randy-stewart wrote on 1/3/2005, 11:31 AM
Yeah, posted about the same thing a few days ago. It really enlightened me on the whole HDV thing and is a great reference to go back to when deciding what I'll need equipment-wise for editing. Recommend it highly.
Randy
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 1/3/2005, 11:51 AM
EXACTLY!!! I did find a word or two that wasn't correct. (I'm kinda anal about details :-)

KUDOS however to SPOT and the other writer (can't remember his name and I loaned the book to a friend for a week). You guys did a great job, and I really enjoyed the book.
randy-stewart wrote on 1/3/2005, 12:13 PM
You must be talking about the intro on page 10 "holding this booking your hands", right? Didn't see any others. Other author is Mark Dileo. Easy read too.
R.
Spot|DSE wrote on 1/3/2005, 1:37 PM
Even when you have 3 copy editors going over the book.....it's inevitable to have an error or two. I used to let this drive me to the point of yelling. Then I realized I see errors in every book I've ever read, and heard errors in most every television broadcast of one kind or another. Besides, if you're reading the book from the viewpoint of looking for typos, you're missing out on what the book is written for....but we try very hard to avoid them.

Glad you both are finding the book of value. We were really torn between making it a thick book with lots of techno-jargon, or making it a book about what you REALLY need to know and understand. We decided to go a little technical, but keep it mostly very friendly. The techo-jargon can come later.
Thanks for the support, tell all your friends. :-)
FWIW, the book is on special til the 15th of this month if you're a community member. $19.99
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 1/3/2005, 1:43 PM
I'm pretty sure that was it, but I thought maybe there was an "a" where there should have been an "an." (My major pet peeve, however that could have been here on the forums (seeing as how it happens continuosly).

I'll look forward to a techno jargon book too, Makes me feel real cool ;-) (my wife hates it though)

Dave
epirb wrote on 1/3/2005, 3:05 PM
I ordered mine two days ago ..
Cant wait to readed it.

Just messing with you FrigidND....
Seriously though I am excited to read it.

Eric
farss wrote on 1/3/2005, 5:20 PM
My copy made it to Oz today.
Bob.
RalphM wrote on 1/3/2005, 5:49 PM
Hey farss,
What part of OZ do you inhabit?
mjdog wrote on 1/4/2005, 1:36 PM
I'm interested more in taking hi resolution stills and creating high definition Windows Media Player files. Why? I have created a DVD using wedding stills using digital photos from a partner who is a professional photographer. He'd like to show these on his new HD TV for clients. So, would I gain much from this book, or is it mostly about HD video?
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 1/4/2005, 2:30 PM
Well, I'm sure that you would gain from having the book. But it doesn't specifically deal with stills in HD, if that's what you're asking. However it does talk about things, like the fact that 16:9 and and 4:3 Aspect ratios are not done with square pixels but rectangular pixels, etc...

In general though I would say that for 20 bucks or even 25 bucks, it's well worth it just to have.

Just one mans opinion
Spot|DSE wrote on 1/4/2005, 8:10 PM
there are only a couple of pages in the later parts of the book that deal with stills, and that's about it. We chose not to go too deeply down this road, because high rez stills to HD are pretty easy to do, and because it's more for dealing with getting stills into video as opposed to HD slideshows.
farss wrote on 1/4/2005, 9:54 PM
North Shore of Sydney
ushere wrote on 1/5/2005, 3:57 PM
farss - indie / production or post house?

back of beyond blandford.
Hulk wrote on 1/5/2005, 5:55 PM
Hi guys! I just wanted to say that I really appreciate all of the comments about the book. I'm so happy that people seem to be taking a lot from it. It was quite an interesting project and a huge honor to work with Spot.

I know that Spot has detailed all of various topics that are covered in the book. I'd just like to add that beyond specific examples and advice,this book provides an overview of HDV, and digital video in general. Not too technical in nature, but enough so that the reader will have enough background information to make good buying decisions, be able to construct individualized workflows, and generally (hopefully) figure out creative methods for solving problems and creating great video.

As for the depth of the technical information. I liken it to explaining a technical issue to a friend and at first they're really interested. Then you get to the real nitty gritty (that isn't really useful to them anyway, you just want to be complete!) and their eyes start to glaze over. We stopped WELL short of the glazing point!

Every page of this book is really packed with useful and interesting information.

Take care,

Mark
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 1/5/2005, 6:24 PM
Well, that glazing part is true, but to every rule there must be an exception. My wife's eyes glazed over the moment I started talking about HDV. ;-)

Dave

Mark - I definately ejoyed the book.
farss wrote on 1/5/2005, 6:30 PM
I for one don't have an issue with the technical stuff, unlike when you're talking to someone you can always skip that bit in a book.
IMHO, way too much BS in this game and nothing clears that like hardcore facts.
Just to give a simple example, client has DVCAM tape with option on his sytem to capture via 1394 or component. We tell him 1394 is the best way to go. He doesn't believe us, goes back to technical 'experts' who sold him the system and they tell him, nah, component is way better for this. So we give him a DV25 deck with component outputs and he goes away blissfully ignorant, still.
Bob.
Spot|DSE wrote on 1/5/2005, 10:38 PM
Yeah, you'll see/hear a lot of BS in this game overall. I heard an "expert" tonight telling a group of about 40 people, that the 1394 capture of MPEG blows compared to using the analog outs going into a Panny HD 150 deck as an HD converter device, then capturing as HD via an Aja board. I asked him if he'd played with the Cineform tools (privately of course, so he wasn't embarassed) He'd never heard of Cineform, and said he was doing this because Lumiere (Final Cut intermediary) doesn't do 1080i. Hmmmm.....so, how can a comparison be drawn if FCP doesn't have a means of bringing the transcoded 1080i image?
HD is everywhere at CES. Walked the pre-show floor tonight, and HD is on every stinkin' thing that's got a video screen, hard drive, etc on the show floor. Very scary, it's reminiscent of when Digital was the buzzword, remember when we had "digital speakers" and "digital headphones?" HD over cellphones using MPEG 4, so they are claiming. I gotta see what that looks like on the show floor tomorrow. Wouldn't be that hard overall, but what's the point when it comes to a cell phone?
Met a couple forum folks today at the training sessions, looking forward to meeting more of you!
epirb wrote on 1/6/2005, 3:49 PM
ZOINKS? HD on the cell phones?
I dont wanna see a High Def picture of someone earcanal or nosehairs when they accidently hit the capture button on their phone!!!
oooh the mental picture....