I don't like it. I never have liked this style.I totally agree. This design means that you have to live with all the limitations of a laptop, without any of a laptop's portability and other benefits.

Video editing is one of the few applications that truly requires a high-end PC with multi-core, multi-CPU, advanced video card, fast disk drives, ability to "bolt on" more storage, etc. While I'm sure that some of these things will be present in this computer, this design ensures that all of these things will be compromised, and you will never be able to get "best in class" for those things that really matter to video editing.

So, for those with space limitations, or those who value form over function, I think this is a great design. But, for those who make their living trying to get a lot of work done as quickly as possible, the performance compromises inherent in this design make it very unappealing.

I'll let these videos speak for themselves:





User replaceable desktop nVidia Quadro graphics card. User replaceable hard drive. User upgradeable memory. Where's the limitation you speak of?

I don't see an limitations from what I'm seeing here - quite the opposite.

And I know quite a few shooter/editors using iMacs and workstation class laptops who are making a decent living using these so called "limited" computers.

I love my Lenovo all-in-one. It's an i7 with 16GB of RAM. What's really cool is that it is touchscreen, so it's kind of like a big tablet that can run Vegas Pro! When you aren't computing it doubles as a TV. I love it and I will never go back to the box on the floor.

I agree with you Laurence. A more detailed video of how they came about the design spoke volumes to me that this isn't a crippled All In One like the iMac. You can replace virtually all aspects of the unit sans the motherboard. And it was designed from the ground up as a true workstation.



I just don't get the resistance to this computer. For me, it would be a dream computer. Everything I would want without the iMac envy I've had of my Apple colleagues.

Well ayyeeee think its very nice!

As long as its drivers are not locked in (ie. HP variant) so you can update them straight from the Nvidia website for example.
Otherwise it looks great, and i mean that not just as looks but as from a spec and servicability too point of view too. 32gig ram etc?? want. :)

Paul.

"Monitor goes blewie, perfectly good PC is unusable.

The IT department in many corporations will like these where every PC is identical, right down to the installed programs. If the computer or monitor go out, it only takes the IT grunt half the time to to swap the unit as opposed to discrete components.

One reason I went with the Lenovo is that it was the only all-in-one I could find that would let you use a second monitor (over HDMI).

Well, if you have components and one goes blewie, you only need to replace the one that went. You can leave the other one sitting there.

I love my Lenovo all-in-one. It's an i7 with 16GB of RAM. What's really cool is that it is touchscreen, so it's kind of like a big tablet that can run Vegas Pro! When you aren't computing it doubles as a TV. I love it and I will never go back to the box on the floor.

Laurence, do you edit in Vegas with the touchscreen or a combination of mouse and touchscreen?
If so, I would greatly appreciate having your feedback on that matter.

And thanks for sharing Cliff, will have a look at those linked videos.

Rob

I was going to agree with Chienworks about not liking the all in one until I watched the videos. One thing I do wonder about, there are a lot of fans in there. Each component seems to have one. I wonder how loud it is?

Dave T2

Dave T2, the bottom video states these fans work via temp sensors. 20db is the rating they gave for loudness of the fans.

Cliff,

Thanks. I didn't watch the last one.

Looks good.

Dave T2

it would work fine for a lot of folks, I would need a stronger PSU and more GPU's allowed, My feeling is that I'm probably never going to have just one card ever again, but I could be mistaken, who knows what time will bring.

Dave

It is like an ultra thin PC case with a built in monitor.

According to the specs page it has a subpar 400 watt power supply and does not say if it can be replaced with a more powerful one. I know it can be replaced for servicing but a more powerful one?

Using ‘Display Port’ one can add a compatible external HP monitor for a second monitor. The question would then be can a person use an adaptor and add their own extra monitor instead of an HP one? Does HP design the computer to limit this possibility? Do they charge too much for their own and possibly proprietary monitors?

If the included monitor goes bad how much would it costs to replace it? How much effort would it take to replace it? Could I do it myself or would I have to pay way too much for HP to do it and be without a computer while I wait?

From the starting price AND considering the variations from the specs if one REALLY gets what they want, the costs would be prohibitively high! Boxy and cumbersome as it may be I can build my own system to my specs for a whole lot less money. And in the time frame that I need to!

Then there is the fact that all that is included in this computer is obsolete the day you buy it. At least one can replace the components but then that motherboard? How many arms and a leg will it costs to replace that? Will it be available?

At this time there are way too many unanswered questions for me and the price is way too high to justify it!

The fast/slow opening case is a gimmick!

Sorry…

"Where's the limitation you speak of?"

My current and somewhat outdated system has 12 drive bays, over half of which are populated and I really should fill them all up as I have another 3x2TB external HDD hooked upto it.
My new rig will certainly have a disk caddie or two in it and a couple of drives in RAID 0, same as my current rig.

My question is where'e the advantage in this offering?
Sure for an office workstation HP should sell lots but for a professional video editing solution I cannot see it, same as the iMac which I've never seen used in an editing suite either.

Bob.

"According to the specs page it has a subpar 400 watt power supply and does not say if it can be replaced with a more powerful one. I know it can be replaced for servicing but a more powerful one?"

HP doesn't normally make their equipment that way. On most any store bought HP there are a few basic things you can expand/upgrade..... video card, memory, etc.... but the mobo for example has been stripped of the normal number of extra ports, plugs, sockets and other such what-have-yous in an effort to save money.

If you buy a store-bought HP, then don't ever expect it to be much more than it is when you buy it because they are just not very expandable.

"Sure for an office workstation HP should sell lots but for a professional video editing solution I cannot see it, same as the iMac which I've never seen used in an editing suite either."

Agreed.
My (rather outdated) mobo has 8 built in sata heads and every single one of them is being used.

This HP is just like a mac.... very pretty, but I don't see much practical use for it.

Just watched the videos.

It's got all the limitations of a laptop with none of the benefits.

> Laurence, do you edit in Vegas with the touchscreen or a combination of mouse and touchscreen?

I thought I would use the touchscreen but I hardly do.

>Sure for an office workstation HP should sell lots but for a professional video editing solution I cannot see it, same as the iMac which I've never seen used in an editing suite either.

Philip Bloom uses an iMac. I almost bought one instead of the Lenovo, but I didn't because it didn't have USB3. I like using those little inexpensive bus powered USB3 drives. I just bought another 1.5TB the other day for around $140!

Oh, i use my laptop for on-location work, recording, doing some quick edits of video we've just shot, etc. But the reason i use it then is because i need the portability.

When i'm back home or at the office, i don't need portability, i need tons of drive space and connections.

The HP thingie has neither the portability for field work nor the space for suite work. It fails at both.

The beauty of having choices is that you can buy what you want. If you like the component nature and flexible configuration of a tower, get one. If you like the clean desktop and lack of cables of an all-in-one, there are a lot of choices these days.

Generally, I think most users don't replace their PC in bits and pieces (and most vendors don't really want to cater to those who do). Given 3-5 years of use it's time to move on to a new CPU, motherboard, ram type, and graphics card. And probably storage too. I know with my own computers there's been so much change in technology that there wasn't any reason to upgrade things piecemeal.

The only thing that outlasts all this is the screen, which unfortunately you'll have to replace along with the computer if you own an AiO unit.

As for the unit going blewey, I've dismantled quite a few AiO PCs over the last several years. I guarantee you that all the parts are replaceable if they break, but the motherboards and screens aren't mass market retail parts.