$5k?!?! Pppoarhhh . . of course it wont end up that way, on these mean streets .. I do like the XLR being on board . at last! and the Optical 20x zoom .. yeah yeah . .but I do like it on my XM2 [ GL2] ..

Grazie

Oaky, so no HDV or better option? Maybe I missed something. But if not, other than interchangable lenses (which is still a big deal), they're behind the action. Native 16:9 is great, but a lot of people were hoping for more resolution.

I'm no great fan of Canon cameras but apart from that, I'd love to know how many people actually make use of the interchangeable lens option. From what I'd heard you could buy a half decent second camera for the price of a lens.
Now if it'll take 35mm prime lenses, hmm, I could get excited.

I agree. Only buy the camera if you really think you're going to use different lenses. After one spin with a decent super 16mm and its 2 lenses, the importance of interchangable lenses has more than hit home.

I use the XL-1 for years now and also bought the wide angle zoom. I love to have interchangable lenses for high quality use. Also the manual lenses offered are of a rather good quality. You cannot compare such a manual lenses with that ones provided with other comsumer cameras. Once you've seen the difference in the output picture quality you'd know why some people love it. XL-1 models and now XL-2 do compare to cameras like Panasonic DVX-100 and the JVC GY DV5000. The XL-2 will beat both models by the 16:9-mode with REAL 16:9 resolution. GY DV5000 still is a bit more professionel but here XL-2 also competes by having a 25p/24p mode. Price is o.k. for such a camera. This is what you usually have to pay for such a featured model.
I know think of either buying the XL-2 or the GY DV5000

Marco

It Looks Amazing.. I wonder if the GL2/XM2 Will soon Be Upgraded Too.. With Similar Technology

welcomed news to me!

Yeah right . . The XM2 will be upgraded to HD .. which the XL2 isn't . . joke, yes?

Grazie

Chris Hurd has "thrown together" ( His words not mine .. the thrown together thing! ) at:

http://www.dvinfo.net/canonxl2/xl2faq.php#presales

. .makes for very intresting reading - esp. the HDV thing .. hmmm . .. I don't feel too bad about my old XM2 now . ..

Grazie

Seems odd that Canon wouldn't at least give the HDV format a go on the new XL2 in addition to DV25. I have an older XL1 and the new XL2 seems nice, but DV25 on 1/3 rd CCD's will always be very limited - IMHO. I would bet the image in standard 4:3 mode, wouldn't look all that different than the XL1 or XL1s image. I'm sure the gamma curves and the improved low-light performance (on the XL1s VS. XL1) will help and the native 16:9 CCDs is a great idea. I think Canon is in a catch-22 when it comes to making the XL series any more pro. In all honesty, how much more could it really cost to slap some 1/2, or 2/3 CCDs in that camera. (I know... the backwards comp thing... but hear me out). Would making a true pro camera hurt Canon's position within the pro market, in the sense of Canon's sales of pro lenses to Sony, Panny, etc? I'm no pro ENG guy, but I bet Canon charges more $$$ for a good piece of glass on a high end ENG rig, than they charge on an XL2. Right? Then again, this is so OT on so many levels. This is a Sony board about NLE editing - not the theories of Canon USA marketing....

Have a good one.

2This is a Sony board about NLE editing -" . . er yes but, we have to have something to edit? . . . Having info on new products helps this l;owly editor and filmaker to input into the general discussion around a certian NLE .. will I get HDV at a price point I can afford? Will Sony:Vegas take heed of what all of us use? What is the camera base out there? What will the camera base change to? Will the link between Sony and Canon be excercised by the likes of us talking openly about it? .. Phhoaarrgghh this is very cheap Market research . ..

But that's OMHO . . . .

Grazie

If it was HDV I would have frothed at the mouth trying to grab the credit card. . I think there are a lot of market "stresses" involved here. Once they commit to HDV then is all of the digital down the drain? Will the 5K digital cameras be worth 500 just like 16mm?

JJK

JJK, nicely put .. chances are SONY/Canon/Pana/JVC will have a prosumer HDV cammie in the traps .. these things just don't happen . . I think there're a lot of prosumers - me anyway - waiting for the "other" shoe to drop .. or one of the BIG Guys to Blink first .. yeah?

. . it is gonna happen .. but what do I know . ..

Grazie

Sorry if this Sounds like a Daft set of Questions !

is this HDV Any Use At this Time Without a HDV TV... If you edit with it what is the end result like..

Is it Possible to output it too a Higher Format Tape Perhaps... When the Film is put on DV Does it Look better because the Source Footage was Higher resolution Quality In Quality out so to Speak..

.If so how come the JVC HDV Cam is not being raved about..

I Realise its mpeg 2 Format for HDV Is Difficult to edit with BUT Can Vegas 5 With its new Gubbins Now edit with it ?

.. .true . .true . . true .. .

**If so how come the JVC HDV Cam is not being raved about..

Because any way that you cut it, a $3,500 single chip camera is still worthless to "prosumers." I don't care how many lines it puts onto a tape.

David.

Right, considering the lenses has to be less than stellar on the JVC I don't care how many lines it can record to tape. But considering all of the Canon lenses for the XL (and people shooting with $10K Arri lenses on the XL1 - i.e. "28 Days later") why the F*** would they not include the option to do HDV considering they have lenses that come pretty close to resolving HD resolution? One camera could serve the event/corp. group at DV25 - and the budding filmmaker at HDV on the same camera. I wouldn't think people need or want HD weddings or talking heard board room meetings video'd, but if I was shooting an Indy film (with any hope what-so-ever) of transferring to 35mm film, or full blown HD for dist. - I'd shoot on HDV in a sec. It's a conspiracy. You know they can make light bulbs that don't burn out, tooth paste that totally stops cavities, and cars that run on recycled non-linear editing computers. They do, you know.

I Would love to be able to shoot on HDV... Progresive... with Interchangeable lenses.... with a Widescreen Chip... 2/3 inch CCD Chips.. I know I missed the sound out... I dont mind recording that separatly... What I dont understand is if these things are already on Different Consumer Camcorders apart from the 2/3 Chips that is.. Then Why can't all this technolgy be put on a single Camcorder... I would Pay DOuble what the new XL2 WILL Be..

is there anything else available in this price range that can do true 16:9 progressive and have interchangable lenses? lets be honest, i'm a pd150 user, the XL2 is pretty impressive. I wish i could change from my pathetically narrow lens and spinner focus ring and have true 16:9 and progressive scan video. The combination of a canon L series lens and the highest pixel count compared to others in this range, in theory be the pinnacle of all minidv recorders avail atm.