OT: MSU Denoiser 2.5 crashes?

Robert W wrote on 10/9/2008, 3:46 AM
I've been trying to get the MSU Denoiser 2.5 virtual dub plugin working with Virtual dub 1.76 and 1.86, on a a couple of XP and a Vista machines I have. However, Virtual dub crashes whenever I try to add the Denoiser plugin to the filters list. Is Denosier 2.5 known to be broken? Or do I need to get hold of a missing library or something not get it to work? I can't seem to find much reference to people actually using 2.5 on the internet.

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blink3times wrote on 10/9/2008, 5:11 AM
I have no crashing with Denoiser... but then I'm not running it in Vdup. Instead I am running it directly on the Vegas time line with DebugMode's plugin pack adapter.

BTW.... I don't think you can download the plugin pack adaptor anymore so if you need it, I can email it.
Robert W wrote on 10/9/2008, 7:19 AM
Thanks but Wax does not work on Vegas 8 for me, and on Vegas 6 it works , but the Denoiser plugin is ineffective (probably because it needs to see adjacent frames).
blink3times wrote on 10/9/2008, 7:21 AM
This isn't WAX (I have issues with wax too)

It's the version PRIOR to wax which works well.
Robert W wrote on 10/11/2008, 4:49 PM
Yes Blink, an email of that would be much appreciated. Thank you. You can email me at *****

Cheers,

Edit:

No worries, I found it:

http://www.debugmode.com/pluginpac/
Robert W wrote on 10/12/2008, 4:51 AM
Unfortunately, pluginpac just locks up Vegas 8 for me. anybody got any explanations/solutions for the MSU plugin not working in anything?
farss wrote on 10/12/2008, 5:00 AM
Is there any particular reason why you need to use the MSU de-noiser?
I'm not at all familiar with it so this might be a daft suggestion. Mike Crashe's Dynamic Noise Reduction plugin does work with Vegas, it seems to work as well as any noise reduction plug I've found, get it for free from here:

http://www.mikecrash.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6

Bob.
blink3times wrote on 10/12/2008, 6:04 AM
Robert... are you using PLUGINPAC or wax?

Reason i ask is that the link you posted is not for pluginpac but for wax.

PluginPac should come as 3 or 4 individual effects, the pluginPac adaptor being one of them.

You CAN get the wax plugin to work but it's pretty shaky at the best of times. You have to go to settings in the separate panel and check "USE DUMMY..... something or other" Sorry... can't remember the full name of the switch but you will see it there in settings
Robert W wrote on 10/12/2008, 6:49 AM
farss:

MSU Denoiser is in my opinion a far superior solution to the Mike Crash plugin, which I believe is based on an entirely different plugin. MSU Denoiser 2.5 is particularly appealing as it has a specific HD mode and most importantly a scene detection switch.

For me the Mike Crash plugin has shown negligible benefits or effectiveness. It has a tendancy to fix in place objects in the background of handheld shots before it actually removes any noise. The way it seems to work is to identify objects that change from frame to frame and then delete the changes in all the ones that fall below the size of the threshold set in the plugin's parameteres. There is no actual noise identification going on. This is a really problem in video such as ours which contains lots of small objects such as fingers and guitar strings which attract lots of the attention of the viewer.

Having said that, I did test the Mike Crash plugin once by adding it to every piece of video media set very low (I think it was set to 2 or 3) and it did work quite well, much better than playing it on the master nested track for the final render. However the one frame shift ruined a lot of our frame perfect edits, so it had to be rejected.

It would be really handy if there was a mock file format that could be loaded into Vegas that was actually a frame server. So when it calls a file, a separate program running on a spare core or even another machine that generates the content and applies plugins such as noise reduction that Vegas does not fully support.

But anyway, back to the plot. Has anybody actually got MSU Denoiser 2.5 working?

Blink, actually there is a link for pluginpac at that link. It is the last one. It was just not having it. Locked up as soon as I tried to use it.