OT - Need Advice for Music Video

totally lost wrote on 1/16/2009, 10:58 AM
Hi,

I am trying to salvage a music video project that suffers from bad audio. I have live shots from a performance of a whole concert with bad audio.

I want to use audio from a CD of the band and marry it with some concert clips. The thing is I've never done this type of editing before and don't have a clue! ; )

If anyone does this kind of work and could give me some pointers or better yet point me to to some good examples of videos cut like this....I would greatly appreciate it.

We want the end outcome to be a 60 second promotional video for the band.

Thanks in advance!

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Jenkmeister wrote on 1/16/2009, 1:08 PM
I've tried to do this before and it's not going to be that easy. But here are some thoughts...

- If you have some footage that doesn't have the singer in it, that'll help. You can use that if you can get it in time,even if it's not footage from the song being used, you may be able to find ways to use it.
- Pan and zoom into the footage so you can remove some of the specific lip/instrument syncing.
- Use effects (like reversing some clips through a verse or use some layers) to hide the sections that are completely offtime.

With that said, for the bits you do need in sync, you may need to use the speed setting in the clip properties to help get things more in sync. Short clips with fast cuts will help as well in terms of being able to get back in sync with the music.

Head over to - that is something I did against live audio, but only about 25% of what you see is from the actual song being played. Maybe you'll get some ideas from that...
Robert W wrote on 1/16/2009, 1:17 PM
I would give up, unless you have LOTS of takes to work from lots of angles. You will not be able to hold shots with the drummer or vocalist in as sync problems show up very often. You can get away with more with guitar shots. I would use the time stretching tools to fit to the cd track where necessary.

However, this is something I have never tried.
johnmeyer wrote on 1/16/2009, 2:12 PM
I have done this before. The more closeups, the tougher it will be. You can get away with murder on long shots, and in fact if you watch closely, many of the commercial DVDs of "live" concerts often aren't synced on long shot.

You'll have to change the speed of the audio to get things synced. If your shots are less than five seconds, and the live performance is fairly close in tempo to the canned music, you'll be able to get pretty close. You can usually sync on words that begin in "m" or "b" or "p". Something where the lips are closed and then opened.

So, you are fortunate in that those that have gone before you often cover the audio (or video) with stuff that isn't synced. Look at the extended ("extra") discs from Woodstock or the Monterey Pop Festival, for instance.
alltheseworlds wrote on 1/16/2009, 2:15 PM
Acquaint the client with reality. Make it clear this is a RESCUE job, and you have to get creative. Use vegas to zoom in on interesting portions of the clip. Use some crowd slow-mo. Use file footage. Use effects. Basically you've got to recycle what you've got and create multiple takes from one shot to hide the truth.

There are quite a few old music clips which use live footage with obviously record-based material. Sometimes not even the same song. It can work. You may find some old Sex Pistols music clips like this.
johnmeyer wrote on 1/16/2009, 2:50 PM
BTW, another reason you so often see slightly out of sync concert video is that the pros usually film several concerts and splice them together. The audio obviously has to have continuity, so the video sync ends up getting hosed. Someone mentioned the drummer, and I'll bet 50% of the drummer shots I see in concerts are not synced to the music.
totally lost wrote on 1/16/2009, 3:23 PM
Wow, thanks guys! I had 3 cameras running 2 sets at an hour each. So footage is not the problem.

It also doesn't have to be 1 song. It could be 4, 15 second sections of 4 different songs. Also I am not trying to sync the clips with the audio nessacarily.

And nor do I want to try to sync up my video with the CD...that's a big can of worms because their live stuff is at a much faster tempo than the studio recordings.

I am screwed right? ; )

mtntvguy wrote on 1/16/2009, 3:45 PM
Another thing to consider: If the CD had a distributor you better check with them before you use it. The band may not have the rights to use the CD in the video.
Robert W wrote on 1/16/2009, 4:17 PM
If you dont want to sync it, then what is the issue? Just cut it what ever way you like.
alltheseworlds wrote on 1/16/2009, 5:30 PM
Or you could try something totally different . . .

Assuming you have the footage, why not do a "behind the scenes & fans" video ? Have NO shots of the band performing, a few where they're setting up, some sound check antics, fans queueing at the gate, amps being plugged in, all that sort of material.

Make a virtue of necessity.
ushere wrote on 1/16/2009, 5:55 PM
agree totally with robertw - what exactly is your problem? cut how you like!!!
totally lost wrote on 1/20/2009, 3:54 PM
Sorry guys for my delayed response....Up to my hips in alligators so to speak. ; )

Well look at my user name...I am clueless. I guess what am looking for is how to cut like that (with no regard to sync things up)? I am such a linear thinking type of guy (yes this makes for a bad editor : ( , it's hard for me to think out of the box, I can sort of imagine it but can't quite wrap my head around the concept of this style of cutting.

So I guess I am looking for a clue! ; ) Ok I realize I should cut in time with the beat. lol and that's about where get locked up. Any good examples out there of this type of cutting? I need ideas. Thanks for being patient with me.

Regarding snyc rights, it's just a local band with self distributed music. blink3times, did you ever hear back from Uni?
dirtynbl wrote on 1/24/2009, 1:23 PM
Two things. Drop the CD audio for each song under the video for each song.

You know how you extend a clip or shrink a clip by clicking it's edge and dragging left or right to shrink or extend? Do that but hold the control key and it either slows down or speeds up your footage.

Try and match the waveform of the concert audio to the waveform of the CD audio. If they don't play too much faster live you might be able to mess with the speed of the footage and have it sync alright.

Also, next time tell your band to play to a click track at the concert. Only the drummer needs it, but that way the drummer is drumming to the exact speed of the CD and syncing is a breeze.