OT: Need advice on possible new camcorder

dsaelwuero wrote on 4/5/2006, 12:39 PM
I currently have a GL2 and use it for videos made thru Vegas 6.0. I really want to upgrade the camcorder but am not sure what to get. Do I make the jump to HD or just get a more advanced SP camera?

If I get one of the Sony HDV cameras like the FX1 or the HVR-Z1U and I film in HD, will I be able to connect the camera to my editing machine via ieee and transfer video for immediate placement in Vegas or will I have to do some conversion first?

Once HD video players are available will we be able to burn DVD in HD format for play on Blue Ray or HD-DVD format devices? (I assume a new DVD burner will have to be purchased for the editing machine to make this happen.)

With the two above mentioned Sony cameras I see you can record also in DV format so I assume no conversion will be needed for sure, right?

On the SD side I have been eyeing the XL2 and the Panasonic DVX-100B.

Please let me know your thoughts, thanks in advance.

Darrin

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johnmeyer wrote on 4/5/2006, 1:51 PM
There are DOZENS of posts like this over the past two months, many in the past week. Just search on either "camera" or "camcorder" and restrict your search to this forum and further restrict it to just the subject line.

Here are some links that may help you:

HDV Questions

My workflow for HDV to SD projects

Sony HDVinfo.com

High Def Forum

HDVInfo.net
dsaelwuero wrote on 4/5/2006, 2:45 PM
Thanks for the links. I wonder if its worth it at this time??? Also once you render down the video for use on a SD DVD does it look any better than what you get with a SD DV cam?
JohnnyRoy wrote on 4/5/2006, 2:50 PM
I agree with John Meyer that this has been discussed numerous times and reading those links will give you lots of valuable information to consider. But what would a forum be without getting a personal opinion for your direct questions. ;-)

> Do I make the jump to HD or just get a more advanced SP camera?

Ultimately only you can answer that but current wisdoms is why buy yesterday’s technology when you can have tomorrow’s for the same price. HDV is here and affordable and it is backward compatible with DV (i.e., DV is part of the HDV spec so all HDV cameras also shoot DV).

> If I get one of the Sony HDV cameras like the FX1 or the HVR-Z1U and I film in HD, will I be able to connect the camera to my editing machine via ieee and transfer video for immediate placement in Vegas or will I have to do some conversion first?

Yes, you can capture and edit the camera files (m2t) right from the timeline with a powerful enough PC or you can capture directly to a HDV Intermediary with CineForm Connect HD (extra purchase but well worth it IMHO). If your PC is not beefy enough for HDV you can edit with DV proxies using a product like GearShift (extra purchase).

> Once HD video players are available will we be able to burn DVD in HD format for play on Blue Ray or HD-DVD format devices? (I assume a new DVD burner will have to be purchased for the editing machine to make this happen.)

Yes, that is the hope. We’ll see when they finally arrive.

> With the two above mentioned Sony cameras I see you can record also in DV format so I assume no conversion will be needed for sure, right?

Yes and if you want better SD quality but not HDV you can shoot in HDV and downconvert to DV right in-camera. So if you are not ready to take the HD plunge, buy the FX1 or Z1U and shoot HDV but capture as DV. It will be the best looking DV you ever shot with a camera in that price range.

> Also once you render down the video for use on a SD DVD does it look any better than what you get with a SD DV cam?

In the same price range? (i.e., 5K DV cam?) MUCH BETTER! Even my wife noticed the first time I made a DVD from my Sony Z1U. She couldn’t believe the quality of the picture. This is because you are starting from higher quality source with a higher quality lens so the result is you retain more details in the picture than you get from SD acquisition.

~jr
winrockpost wrote on 4/5/2006, 2:51 PM
..............................Also once you render down the video for use on a SD DVD does it look any better than what you get with a SD DV cam?
Depends on the cam, top of line 3chip dv cam and IMHO no, but thats just me and maybe my eyes are going, or I am just not testing correctly : )



dsaelwuero wrote on 4/5/2006, 2:55 PM
thanx for the comments, it looks like another purchase upcoming.
richard-courtney wrote on 4/5/2006, 3:03 PM
Can you wait a little longer?

Many, for example, thought that Sony's PD150 was a great SD
camera. Then out came the PD170 with lower light improvement.
(which I use)

The HVR-Z1U is a great camera but I am waiting on the "HVR-Z2U"
or whatever the new model will be. We should also have a better
idea what to distribute HD on.
johnmeyer wrote on 4/5/2006, 4:12 PM
Also once you render down the video for use on a SD DVD does it look any better than what you get with a SD DV cam?

Spot (DSE) posted actual video showing the difference. Do a search on his user name. Also, there have been at least two rather long threads, just on this one part of your question, just in the past 45 days.
mbryant wrote on 4/6/2006, 5:46 AM
You can see that comparison by going to VASST HDV Portal and selecting "Downconverted to SD comparisons".

Mark
JohnnyRoy wrote on 4/6/2006, 6:18 AM
> You can see that comparison by going to VASST HDV Portal and selecting "Downconverted to SD comparisons".

Yea that Downconvert to SD Comparisons link will show you the difference between video shot at 1080i and converted to 480p in Vegas, and regular SD footage converted to 480p. Both look good until you zoom in 3x and then the SD acquired footage gets very jagged very quickly. This difference is stunning. As I said, HD to SD is much higher quality than SD acquired footage.

~jr