OT: Never buy a Sony Tripod for a Panasonic camera

Leee wrote on 3/15/2012, 11:11 AM
I made the mistake of buying a Sony tripod, with a remote control handle (that controls various functions on the camera), and thought there must be a universal standard plug for this kind of thing......Wrong! The Sony remote has some kind of 8 or 12 pin mini plug, while my Panasonic AG-HMC40 has two 1/8" jack type plugs.

Needless to say, when I put them together, I was sorely disappointed, both at the mismatched plugs and my own stupidity. To quote Charlie Brown, "RATS!"

It's a real shame, because I love my new camera, and I love the remote control handle on the tripod, the layout of the controls and smoothness of operation would have helped my camerawork immensely. I don't suppose they make some sort of adapter for these kind of plug mismatches?

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videoITguy wrote on 3/15/2012, 1:35 PM
My friend you have got to be a little more detailed than what you have said thus far....

ARE YOU talking LANC control of your camera start/stop and zoom.
Please read your camera manual interface description.
Thanks
Leee wrote on 3/15/2012, 2:58 PM
Sorry I didn't go into great detail, mostly because I realize that it'll never work even if I do find an adapter.

The remote on the tripod has what they call a "Sony Standard Remote plug" and it has controls for Zoom, Photo, Power, Record, and Guide Frame. The camera however only supports remote controls (via 1/8" jack) for: Input 1: Focus and S/S, Input 2: Focus and Iris. (basically what the focus/zoom ring does) So you can see there is a great mismatch in what the specific controls are between the camera and the tripod controller.

I think I'll just have to buy a separate remote that attaches to the handle of the tripod. But as I said, it's a real shame because this remote handle is just so nice and easy to use. Every time I use the tripod, my fingers start trying to use the controllers and I have to keep reminding myself they don't work (their not attached to the camera) and that I have to use my other hand to work the controls on the camera itself.

It was just a stupid mistake on my end. I should have checked more carefully about the compatibility.
Laurence wrote on 3/15/2012, 3:13 PM
I love how when the swear filter makes what is probably not that bad a word into what (in my imagination at least) is a terrible word. Kind of reminds me of this: ;-)

amendegw wrote on 3/15/2012, 3:30 PM
You might be able to find an adapter cable. A quick Google search revealed this: http://www.studio1productions.com/lanc-sa.htm It appears to go the wrong way (i.e. Panny->Sony rather than Sony->Panny). But, I bet someone makes the the correct adapter cable.

Edit: My mistake - see Bob (farss) post, one down. I just spent about 45 minutes looking for something that might adapt a Sony/Canon lanc controller to Panasonic, and came up empty. (I could have sworn I saw a Varizoom at B&H that said, "compatible with Sony/Canon, also works with Panasonic" - I guess my mind is playing tricks on me again [grin]).

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farss wrote on 3/15/2012, 3:52 PM
Those adaptors are Sony <> Sony.
Sony changed from using the 2.5mm minipin for LANC to incorporating it into their A/V connector.
As far as I know Panasonic do not use the LANC protocol for their cameras so no amount of cable adapting is going to work. Panasonic use a very basic control system, so simpe you can pretty much roll your own. Well they did on their DVX100 camera, that may have changed.

Varizoom make a lens controller for Panasonic cameras which simply clamps onto the standard sized pan handle for $300 which is probably what would give the OP what he wants.

Bob.
videoITguy wrote on 3/15/2012, 4:36 PM
farss is correct -Varizoom is the "equivalent" of a Panasonic "LANC" -
a remote lens controller if you will-
although it has nothing in common with the Sony/Canon communications protocol known as LANC

Just so you don't mix Sony and Panasonic (Matsushita) up again.
Note this,... for the past 50 years these two electronic giants of Japan do not engineer the same way and probably never will. They are competitors of the first kind. They in effect employ teams of people to reverse engineer the other's products and then rebuild in a unique way to avoid damaging lawsuits. Their products do not work the same by any means. And they are happy to maintain market share by doing so.
farss wrote on 3/15/2012, 4:42 PM
"Varizoom is the only Panasonic LANC "

Just so no one gets confused the Varizoom unit is not LANC.
LANC is a serial communication protocol developed by Sony over 10 years ago. It has been used not only for camera control but also VCR control. It's bidirection single wire and apart from commands also carries TC. Canon also use it.

From memory Panasonic use a much simpler voltage / potentiometer type of control, the voltage determines zoom and focus servo position.

Bob.
Leee wrote on 3/16/2012, 3:48 AM
"I love how when the swear filter makes what is probably not that bad a word into what (in my imagination at least) is a terrible word. Kind of reminds me of this: ;-)"
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That's funny Laurence, because I actually didn't even use a swear word. The word I used was s.t.u.p.i.d.
Geez, the swear filter is pretty strict around here, I can't even call myself stupid. LOL!
Leee wrote on 3/16/2012, 3:57 AM
amendegw - Thanks for trying to search for an adapter for me, I appreciate it.
And thanks for everyone else's input as well. I think the easiest thing for me to do is just buy a Sony camera to fit the Sony remote control on the tripod! But if I do that, my wife would probably beat me repeatedly over the head with said tripod until I became an EX-video enthusiast.

I'll do some more looking around, but as I said it's not really a big deal....unless I get an actual paying job where any shaky camera movements caused by using my left hand to control right handed buttons would become unacceptable. I wish I could at least have been able to put the tripod handle on the left side, so I can operate the controls on the right side of the camera with my right hand. That's really the part that's troublesome.
videoITguy wrote on 3/16/2012, 10:21 AM
To Leee:
Note that I edited my previous post above.

The Topic of SONY LANC:
When Sony introduced the LANC control protocol it was a big deal. I have an entire editing bay with multiple VCR's that is based on the Sony Lanc. When Canon introduced it in a slight variation - the incompatibilities sort of dampened the thrust of such an innovation.

There is an entire industry (small-entrepreneur) built on selling the Sony LANC -but varizoom is one ot the most expensive.

Recommendations:
If you can find a good SONY camera with LANC - buy it.
2) Buy yourself a good tripod with fluid head
3) Get a lower priced LANC controller from a third-party made for Sony and then mount it on side and place that you like best for using.

THE Sony edition tripods were generally 2nd rate and the LANC placement was awkward.
craftech wrote on 3/16/2012, 10:43 AM
I believe the Libec ZC-3DV would work for you.

It states: Exchange switch: LANC / P

I have a similar Libec for my PMW-EX1 and it works very well.

John
Laurence wrote on 3/16/2012, 12:16 PM
>That's funny Laurence, because I actually didn't even use a swear word. The word I used was s.t.u.p.i.d.

"stupìd" definitely seems worse when expressed as "******". Too funny!