OT: New Computer Specs

Former user wrote on 7/29/2012, 4:12 PM
Howdy everyone,

I haven't built my own PC in a while, but I need a system with a fairly decent graphics card for my 3D imaging / animation work and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of affordable options out there. Of course, editing in Vegas is always needed, but it's not really my main source of projects right now.

I put together the following list on Newegg for around $1600.

Intel Core i7-3820 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 2011 Quad-Core Desktop Processor
ASUS P9X79 LE ATX Intel Motherboard with USB BIOS
G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000)
EVGA GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 012-P3-1570-AR Video Card
Crucial M4 CT256M4SSD2BAA 256 GB MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Western Digital AV-GP 2TB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive
Intel RTS2011AC CPU Cooler
NZXT Source 210 S210-001 Black “Aluminum Brush / Plastic” ATX Mid Tower Case
Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W Continuous Power Power Supply
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS
SABRENT CRW-UINB 68-in-1 USB 2.0 Internal Card Reader w/ USB 2.0 Port
Microsoft Desktop 800 2LF-00001 Black RF Wireless Keyboard & Mouse
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit

Anyone see anything on the list that might be of a concern, or I should change?

BTW - I ordered dual HP 22" monitors with a stand the other day to go with this system.

Thanks!

Jim

Comments

mudsmith wrote on 7/29/2012, 4:18 PM
How much RAM?....or am I just being blind?

The GTX 570 HD requires a minimum of a 550W power supply, but the other model may not. You hit the minimum, but maybe it is a little low if you have the HD version, which I think is the one with double the RAM.......I just bought one of these and it would not quite physically fit in my old computer, and the power supply was not up to snuff, so you should research it, perhaps.
videoITguy wrote on 7/29/2012, 4:19 PM
You are certainly looking at a powerhouse system - but I don't see you asking if you want to hit the current VegasPro11 target?!

In fact, if anything you don't seem to be even suggesting VegasPro in your criteria...hence I think you are in the wrong forum to ask this question.

Serious 3D imaging /animation is a whole different ballgame! What software in that line do you intend to target? Do you have any on the ground experience with that type of software package. Ask LIGHTWAVE people for some guidance.

Boot if you will from the SSD - I would not. Skip using USB 2. implementations. Power supply upgrade. Where are your rendering drives?
Former user wrote on 7/29/2012, 4:21 PM
I forgot to add the 16 Gigs of RAM to the list -- it's on there now ;-)

Yes, VideoITguy, I'm using Vegas Pro 8.0c (32bit and 64 bit) on this system. But, I've been using Vegas since version 3. So it will be a dual use system: between Vegas Pro and Lightwave. I've been using Lightwave since version 1 (about 20 years now). In case you're interested, here's a gallery of a few of the thousands of 3D modeling and imaging I've done over the years. I will also be using PhotoShop and Illustrator (CS4 on both) on it as well.

Oh, and by the way, I've been member here in the Vegas forums since 2002. The reason I mentioned the 3D work, is that some people might feel that the GTX570 video card could be overkill for just Vegas. If I had an unlimited budget I would go for something along the lines of a high end Quadro card, but since a quadro card can cost $2000 or more, I figured I would just settle for the 570.

Jim
Birk Binnard wrote on 7/29/2012, 4:22 PM
3 quick comments:

1. Not sure paying for the 3.8GHz boost is worth the money

2. I'd get a Blu-Ray burner instead of just DVD

3. I found that CyberpowerPC.com was able to assemble & test my system (similar to yours) for very close to the same price NewEgg wanted just for the parts. So I let them build & test it for me.

Former user wrote on 7/29/2012, 4:31 PM
Thanks for the lead Bick. I'm setting up the system now at CyberpowerPC to see what I can come with.

About SSD drives. What size drive do you think would make sense for the OS and installed applications? Would a 120GB drive do or bump it up to 240GB?

I'm adding a 2TB data drive for other uses, as well as moving an exsiting 2TB drive that already has over 1TB of video clips on it into the case as well.
JJKizak wrote on 7/29/2012, 5:05 PM
You can't have a big enough power supply. Mine is 850 watts and with all that stuff going in I question 620 watts as being sufficient.
JJK
Former user wrote on 7/29/2012, 5:10 PM
Thanks JJK. It looks like I'm going to go with Cyberpowerpc building it for me. And you're right they suggest an 800 watt supply. They can build the same system for $1650, so it's really a better deal over buying the components from Newegg at $1600 and building it myself.

Jim
Birk Binnard wrote on 7/29/2012, 8:15 PM
The question about what size SSD to get is fairly controversial. Most people ascribe to the HDD-centered theory that "bigger is better." Frankly I do not, and here's why:

I put an SSD into my system fairly shortly after SSD's came out. At the time SSD's were really expensive. Mine cost $400 and is 64GB in size.

"What? 64GB? Are you nuts? How can that possibly work?" I've heard it many times. Here are the short answers: Yes, 64GB; Yes, 64 GB; No; It works very well.

When I initially installed the SSD I started with a clean install of Win7-64 and all my applications. (I had originally specced my system to be Win7-32 with a 500GB HDD because at that time SSD's were not available.) After installing everything my SSD was 22 GB full. My software included Office 2010 Professional, QuickBooks Professional, Vegas Movie Studio, DVD Architect, Streets & Trips with a full CD of data, Photoshop Elements; Autopano Giga, Expression Web, Family TreeMaker, and TurboTax Business. I also have a fairly complete set of utility type programs and a few other things (like Google Chrome.)

Because it is a good idea to minimize writes to an SSD I relocated page, temp, hibernate, My Documents, My Pictures, my email folders, and a few other things off the SSD boot drive and onto the 500 GB HDD. All that stuff remains on the HDD to this day. (Note that My Pictures also contains all my AVCHD video files; currently it is 106 GB in size.)

Because the OS and all my applications are on the SSD my system is very responsive. Would it be more responsive if my data files were also on the SSD? Sure it would, but I'm not sure the difference would be all that great. Even though SSD's are a lot cheaper now I am not planning on getting a larger one and don't think I ever will.

Currently my SSD is 31.5 GB full. This increase in size is due almost exclusively to growth in size of the Windows\WINSXS folder. My opinion is that WINSXS is the major design flaw of Windows - it gets larger every time you install any software, and it never gets smaller. There is no way to clean it up and remove stuff that is no longer needed. This is a whole other issue of course - but it does bug me.

As long as my SSD has more than about 10GB of free space I'm confident my system's performance will be virtually unchanged. SSD's have microcode that rearranges their data in ways Windows never sees (which is one reason to never defrag an SSD) so 10GB should be more than enough space for it to do that.

Since this is the Vegas forum I should say something about rendering. So I will. Rendering likes to have input data on one disk, and output/rendered data on another. What I did was buy an external FireWire 1TB disk for system backups and rendered output. This disk operates at speeds virtually the same as an internal SATA drive, and has the advantage of being able to go in my Safety Deposit box when I am away from home.

Again, it might be true that rendering would go a bit faster if Vegas's input or output were on the SSD, but my guess is it wouldn't go all that much faster. It seems to me that what matters most is having separate devices for rendering input and output.

videoITguy wrote on 7/29/2012, 8:28 PM
About GTX 570 card - when reviewing what testing has been done by users of Adobe Premiere for their systems - this card shows up in the majority of the overall best rated total system builds. Of course that is Adobe.

What is interesting is that it will do nothing for a VegasPro8.0b install , but the forum users who are here should give it a review of performance for VegasPro11 current builds. Then we might have a better handle on what VegasPro11 can do.
mudsmith wrote on 7/29/2012, 8:40 PM
Sony's posted tests show the 570 doing the fastest job with their CUDA software versions. That is why I went for it. There have been reports that some of the newer NVIDIA cards were not as powerful, and there does not seem to be clarity about the Quadros doiing better, but I am no expert.

At that, the most powerful 570 is only a tad over $300. at various sources, so........

I won't see my 570 in action until I get my second computer up and running, though, due to issues I listed above.
NicolSD wrote on 7/29/2012, 9:33 PM
Birk Binnard wrote:
"Again, it might be true that rendering would go a bit faster if Vegas's input or output were on the SSD, but my guess is it wouldn't go all that much faster. It seems to me that what matters most is having separate devices for rendering input and output."

From what I understand, the reason for the speed difference is based on the fact that SATA communication can only go one way at a time. If you were to use the same drive for both reading and writing, the drive has to stop and go all the time. Meanwhile, using two drives means both drives can zoom along at full speed.

And I know it's not just a theory. I have seen the difference it makes having two drives. And having two RAID drives just send your computer blazind as fast as it can; no worries about bottlenecks.