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Grazie wrote on 10/3/2005, 10:03 AM
No.
busterkeaton wrote on 10/3/2005, 10:15 AM
Did you read the linked article? It has the link and a funny story.
Spot|DSE wrote on 10/3/2005, 10:22 AM
Been trying to watch the clip since you posted the link, but it's constantly hanging. Probably a lot of network traffic.
GREAT story though! Very impressive. Now if I could just see/hear the new version of the trailer....would be great.
busterkeaton wrote on 10/3/2005, 10:27 AM
The server's getting hit hard, but it does come up. It was slow on Friday when someone first emailed this was before it was mentioned in the NY Times. By the time the clip started playing I forgot I clicked the link, but it's worth it.

Listen carefully for the one piece of new dialogue.
busterkeaton wrote on 10/3/2005, 10:31 AM
I realized you need to register at the Times site so, here is the article:


His 'Secret' Movie Trailer Is No Secret Anymore
By DAVID M. HALBFINGER
Published: September 30, 2005
LOS ANGELES, Sept. 29 — Robert Ryang, 25, a film editor’s assistant in Manhattan, graduated from Columbia three years ago with a double major in film studies and psychology. This week, he got an eye-opening lesson in both.
Since 2002, Mr. Ryang has worked for one of the owners of P.S. 260, a commercial postproduction house, cutting commercials for the likes of Citizens Bank, Cingular and the TriBeCa Film Festival.

A few weeks back, he said, he entered a contest for editors’ assistants sponsored by the New York chapter of the Association of Independent Creative Editors. The challenge? Take any movie and cut a new trailer for it — but in an entirely different genre. Only the sound and dialogue could be modified, not the visuals, he said.

Mr. Ryang chose “The Shining,” Stanley Kubrick’s 1980 horror film starring Jack Nicholson and Shelley Duvall. In his hands, it became a saccharine comedy — about a writer struggling to find his muse and a boy lonely for a father. Gilding the lily, he even set it against “Solsbury Hill,” the way-too-overused Peter Gabriel song heard in comedies billed as life-changing experiences, like last year’s “In Good Company.”

Mr. Ryang won the contest, and about 10 days ago, he said, he sent three friends a link to a “secret site” on his company’s Web site where they could watch his entry (www.ps260.com/molly/SHINING%20FINAL.mov).

One of them, Mr. Ryang said, posted it on his little-watched blog. And that was that. Until this week, when he was hit by a tsunami of Internet interest.

On Wednesday, Mr. Ryang said, his secret site got 12,000 hits. By Thursday the numbers were even higher, his film was being downloaded and linked to on countless other sites, it had cracked the top 10 most popular spoofs on www.ifilm.com, and a vice president at a major Hollywood studio had called up his office, scouting for new talent.

“He said it’s being circulated everywhere in the film community,” Mr. Ryang said of the executive, not wanting to name the man for fear of alienating him. “He wanted to know who I was, and if I had any creative ideas. I told him I’d put together a reel.”

Mr. Ryang said that he was blown away by the experience, and that his boss wasn’t exactly angry, despite the computer system’s nearly having crashed, because of all the attention he had won for P.S. 260.

Though, it seems, the attention was directed more specifically at Mr. Ryang — who is suddenly being forced to rethink his future as an assistant.

“People have been calling producers here, asking about who made it,” he said. “I really didn’t realize how fast the world moves.”

Spot|DSE wrote on 10/3/2005, 10:35 AM
Is it the "foster" comment? Obviously I did get to see it. I loved the original of this movie, and now find myself wishing there really was a "new" Shining, because the trailer is so brilliantly cut! This kid clearly has serious talent.

FWIW, and OT, wanna see another seriously talented kid, The Riddle
busterkeaton wrote on 10/3/2005, 10:55 AM
Yeah it is the foster comment, I think I missed that the first time I watched it.

The cool thing, was The Shining was on TV last week, and I watched most of it so the footage was fresh in my mind when I saw Shining.

The Riddle seems like David Fincher directing Reservoir Dogs.

(I was went Austin recently for two days and I was able to get into one of the screenings at The Quentin Tarrantino Film Festival where he shows films from his personal collection. We got totally lucky getting in, since it was sold out--someone who wasn't staying for the second film--gave us his tickets. Ended up sitting about 15 feet from Tarantino. Got to see an Italian Crime movie called No Way Out. The guy from ain't it cool news was there, so you search there for a description of the film/night.)
mjroddy wrote on 10/3/2005, 12:40 PM
Holy Moly! That Shining trailier was GREAT! WHAT a difference a trailer can make. You could see that trailer, go see The Shining and have the absolute BAGEEZES scared out of you! Totally hillarious, that. Thanks for sharing the link!
On a similar note, I saw a trailer for some movie last month that made me pretty sure I wouldn't see that movie. Then, on this last friday, I saw a different trailer for that same movie that made me think, "hmmm... That WOULD be a good movie."
Folk who cut trailers can absolutely make a difference in its success.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 10/3/2005, 6:32 PM
as awsome as it is (and it IS), it just goes to show that as long as you do something really, REALLY popular with video you can ignore copyright laws. :)

I'm suprised this was an actual contest. That's would be like a music contenst where you had to re-mix artist's work & it was publicised.
Spot|DSE wrote on 10/3/2005, 7:24 PM
Hopefully this won't turn into another copyright thread, but...
if it was for an educational purpose, which according to the article it was...
if it was for purposes of social commentary or parody, which essentially it is as it's a culturally known movie, and the edits turned it into just about the opposite of the original statement...
Then it probably falls into Fair Use.

DGates wrote on 10/3/2005, 7:28 PM
Happy, it's not ignoring copyright laws. He's not selling this to anybody, or trying to make money from it.

Just like you're not going to be sued for putting together your own mix tape.

It was a contest between editors. Nothing more, nothing less.



TheHappyFriar wrote on 10/3/2005, 10:10 PM
but it got out, even if unintentional. It most likely is covered under fair use (it was an obivious parody).

VASST's contests, even though they are among Vegas users, always say you must own/have permission for the copyright. However, I'd love it if they had a contest like that. IT would be a blast!
Steve Mann wrote on 10/3/2005, 10:36 PM
"He's not selling this to anybody, or trying to make money from it. "

Profit, or lack of it, has absoluely nothing to do with copyright protection. Either the work is in violation or it is not. In this case, an obvious parody is fair use.

Profit comes into play when determining damages.

Steve
DrLumen wrote on 10/3/2005, 11:40 PM
That was pretty good.

Technically it could be considered to be stepping on the various copyrights, I believe the courts would take into account the amount used; if it went that far. It was what 30 seconds of a 2+ hour movie and just few notes out of each of the songs? It's not like he posted the entire movie and soundtracks on the web somewhere.

Also, the studios get some free publicity! How much do you bet the rentals and sales for the movie and Peter Gabriel albums jump a little?

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DGates wrote on 10/4/2005, 1:11 AM
Good point. I just got the same Gabriel song off of iTunes.
Bob Greaves wrote on 10/4/2005, 5:57 AM
I found it an impressive lesson. It demonstrates that a story needs to be pursued through every step including editing. That brief clip turned a horror flick into a lovely father / son successful struggle by using original footage and different sound tied together in a highly edited rewrite.

It is also a lesson on life. We are all guilty of rewriting history by what we chose to remember, what we choose to forget, what we chose to ignore and what we chose to focus upon. We can look at the brighter side in a bad situtation or we can be in a place almost like heaven and through a bad attitude sincerely come to believe we are in hell. We forget that our conscious focus is a panning /cropping / fading / editing distortion of reality.

Having seen the movie and finding it to be a classic moment of horror I was deeply moved by this fasification. Verry clever.