OT: Rumored Vegas 6 features
p@mast3rs
wrote on 4/2/2005, 5:43 PM
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p@mast3rs
wrote on 4/2/2005, 5:46 PM
If true, Ill be passing up on the upgarde. Dont see HDV capture/export, no H.264 AVC support, no .mp4 container support. I was really hoping to dump Premiere at the very least. Hopefully Sony has something thats not be discussed yet.
TheHappyFriar
wrote on 4/2/2005, 5:55 PM
V6 looks more like it's trying to compete with "pro" editorswith the extra features (ie FCP does this, Vegas should too).
However, comming from V4 to 6 +DVDA 3... my mouth is watering. :) Multiangle & Macrovision would be a dream come true!
However, comming from V4 to 6 +DVDA 3... my mouth is watering. :) Multiangle & Macrovision would be a dream come true!
Spot|DSE
wrote on 4/2/2005, 5:56 PM
Since I can't say anything about the product, keep in mind that what you read isn't always the whole story....:-)
p@mast3rs
wrote on 4/2/2005, 5:57 PM
I wonder why they offer no multicam for V6. Would definitely be nice as well. If that is all they are offering ( according to that post), then this hould be V5.5 and NOT V6.
clearvu
wrote on 4/2/2005, 5:57 PM
Somehow I doubt that's a complete list. Surely there's got to be more to justify a completely new version!
p@mast3rs
wrote on 4/2/2005, 5:58 PM
Spot, I surely hope so. Maybe its my own fault for expecting too much but hey, at least they have project nesting and AAF support.
Nat
wrote on 4/2/2005, 6:26 PM
Patrick, the guy over at DMN forgot a line :
* Comprehensive HDV support
http://www.dmnforums.com/cgi-bin/displaywwugpost.fcgi?forum=sonic-foundry_vegas&post=050303003140.htm
But beware, this post could be an hoax....
* Comprehensive HDV support
http://www.dmnforums.com/cgi-bin/displaywwugpost.fcgi?forum=sonic-foundry_vegas&post=050303003140.htm
But beware, this post could be an hoax....
FrigidNDEditing
wrote on 4/2/2005, 6:29 PM
http://www.omeda.com/stu/ - Studio monthly
It's been commented on in two different forums by 2 different people refering to the same name magazine. - VERY INTERESTING, no?
:-)
Dave
It's been commented on in two different forums by 2 different people refering to the same name magazine. - VERY INTERESTING, no?
:-)
Dave
farss
wrote on 4/2/2005, 6:36 PM
Gotta say if this is true then it's got all the things in it I've been after for a LONG time. I'm hoping that the SDI support includes 10 bit 4:2:2 in which case I'm a very happy chappy, well if it does add BWF support, I'd pay for a NEW licence just to get that. And even the audio guys should be happy they got VST support, didn't mention Rewire but I hope they get it even though it's of no direct use to me.
Let's just hope they've managed to fix a few things in the process.
Good to see they've focussed on core issues too rather than adding more bells and whistles that'd be better done outside of an NLE.
Does this justify being called Vegas 6, sure, I'd bet a lot of the base code had to be rewritten to get some of this stuff to fly. I'd suggest if you wanted to have an argument on the validity of verions numbers then V5 should have been V4.5 and this release called V5.
Bob.
Let's just hope they've managed to fix a few things in the process.
Good to see they've focussed on core issues too rather than adding more bells and whistles that'd be better done outside of an NLE.
Does this justify being called Vegas 6, sure, I'd bet a lot of the base code had to be rewritten to get some of this stuff to fly. I'd suggest if you wanted to have an argument on the validity of verions numbers then V5 should have been V4.5 and this release called V5.
Bob.
p@mast3rs
wrote on 4/2/2005, 6:49 PM
Looking back over the list, it does seem like a solid release as everything will be useful to me (except the decklink stuff) DVDA3 seems like it is finally catching up with Encore so thats a good thing. Ill prolly shell out for the upgrades but I was seriously hoping and lead to believe by one of my contacts that H.264 AVC support was going to be in there.
I know the testers cant speak about the features but I wonder if they think there was a bigger jump from V4 to V5 or from v5 to V6. V5 upgrade price was bit high at first but all the functions became worth the price as I learned how to use them. I just hope we get the same if not better bang for our upgrade bucks this year as well.
I know the testers cant speak about the features but I wonder if they think there was a bigger jump from V4 to V5 or from v5 to V6. V5 upgrade price was bit high at first but all the functions became worth the price as I learned how to use them. I just hope we get the same if not better bang for our upgrade bucks this year as well.
Nat
wrote on 4/2/2005, 6:49 PM
I don't agree about V5 being called V4.5.
The changes in compositing, midi control, new UI, subclips, bezier masks are worth a full number in my opinion.
The changes in compositing, midi control, new UI, subclips, bezier masks are worth a full number in my opinion.
Nat
wrote on 4/2/2005, 6:58 PM
This isn't the full feature list anyways... Remember that leaked V5 press release ? It did not talk about all the features... And since this is an ad in a magazine I firmly beleive there will be much more features there...
Yoyodyne
wrote on 4/2/2005, 7:16 PM
Decklink! Thank God! Man I'm hoping for 10 bit support - sounds very good so far....anyone know where I can get a deal on a Huge raid array?
TheHappyFriar
wrote on 4/2/2005, 7:37 PM
does this mean that track/pancrop presets are back? :)
i hope they got that fixed...
i hope they got that fixed...
FrankieP
wrote on 4/2/2005, 7:48 PM
Wow!!!
Photoshop layer support for DVD Architect 3!!!
I wish there's an upgrade path for Vegas+DVD to just upgrade DVD Architect instead. I'm very content with Vegas5 and all I really want is DVDA with photoshop layer support and dual layer burning support.
Photoshop layer support for DVD Architect 3!!!
I wish there's an upgrade path for Vegas+DVD to just upgrade DVD Architect instead. I'm very content with Vegas5 and all I really want is DVDA with photoshop layer support and dual layer burning support.
jlafferty
wrote on 4/2/2005, 8:47 PM
"superior framerate coversions"
Perhaps this explains why the Sony dev team has been mum on the blank frame issues ;)
Perhaps this explains why the Sony dev team has been mum on the blank frame issues ;)
farss
wrote on 4/2/2005, 10:11 PM
Let's hope so.
I'm suspecting a lot of us aren't going to be too impressed with this release. Probaly only 1 in 1000 exisiting Vegas users will be able to afford or need to afford DigiBetam or HDCAM for many years to come, even the BWF support that I've been asking for you only really need if you're using audio field recorders that cost a lot more than a prosummer DV camera.
But there's another side to all this, how many times has someone asked why there's no demand for Vegas editors? Then answer isn't because it hasn't get a decent credit roll and it wasn't solved by adding better compositing tools, none of the things that have been added to Vegas since it's initial release are of any interest in the world of broadcast.
If this 'leak' is correct then all the things that have held it back have been addressed. Even if only 1 in 1000 of us makes use of them you can bet they'll all be pretty high profile users and more will come on board. Each one of those users will generate a large number of sales. Take a look at FCP users, how many of them actually do anything different than what most of us do, edit lowly DV25, yet they bought FCP based on the recommendation of a few who work at the upper level of this industry.
All that's needed now is for the wider Sony company to market the thing properly.
I'm suspecting a lot of us aren't going to be too impressed with this release. Probaly only 1 in 1000 exisiting Vegas users will be able to afford or need to afford DigiBetam or HDCAM for many years to come, even the BWF support that I've been asking for you only really need if you're using audio field recorders that cost a lot more than a prosummer DV camera.
But there's another side to all this, how many times has someone asked why there's no demand for Vegas editors? Then answer isn't because it hasn't get a decent credit roll and it wasn't solved by adding better compositing tools, none of the things that have been added to Vegas since it's initial release are of any interest in the world of broadcast.
If this 'leak' is correct then all the things that have held it back have been addressed. Even if only 1 in 1000 of us makes use of them you can bet they'll all be pretty high profile users and more will come on board. Each one of those users will generate a large number of sales. Take a look at FCP users, how many of them actually do anything different than what most of us do, edit lowly DV25, yet they bought FCP based on the recommendation of a few who work at the upper level of this industry.
All that's needed now is for the wider Sony company to market the thing properly.
p@mast3rs
wrote on 4/2/2005, 10:37 PM
Bob, you make an excellent point. I guess I know what the future of Vegas is now. :o)
edit: I read your post again and I take back what I wrote in the beginning. Thank you Sony for working hard to make Vegas better and more acceptable for the industry. Now if we could only get certifications we would be ready to rock.
edit: I read your post again and I take back what I wrote in the beginning. Thank you Sony for working hard to make Vegas better and more acceptable for the industry. Now if we could only get certifications we would be ready to rock.
Grazie
wrote on 4/2/2005, 11:26 PM
tick . .tock . .tick . . tock . . (smacks gums) . . tick . . tock
Bob, "a better creidt roll" . . . very good! Still larfing . .
Grazie
farss
wrote on 4/2/2005, 11:38 PM
I think Sony would have to work MUCH harder to get Vegas to the point where you'd need certification. It'd need a rigorously enforced workflow, no support for ingest over 1394, an arcane UI, no ability to do anything to the audio and require expensive dedicated hardware boxes to run.
Sounds to me like you want a paid job as an editor, pardon me but going on what I'm told by the few I know that have been there you'd have to be certifiable to want a job like that.
Bob.
Sounds to me like you want a paid job as an editor, pardon me but going on what I'm told by the few I know that have been there you'd have to be certifiable to want a job like that.
Bob.
winrockpost
wrote on 4/3/2005, 7:08 AM
................you'd have to be certifiable to want a job like that.
Hah, aint that the truth,, by the way having a certificate means nothing.
Hah, aint that the truth,, by the way having a certificate means nothing.
TheHappyFriar
wrote on 4/3/2005, 7:33 AM
sure it does... it means you took a class. Real world experience isn't necessary if you take a class. you didn't know that? :)
Guy Bruner
wrote on 4/3/2005, 8:04 AM
Well, I hope V6 supports the DVCPRO HD codec and MXF. Otherwise, it'll be an even farther outlier when the new Panasonic HVX P2 cam hits at NAB.
Coursedesign
wrote on 4/3/2005, 9:07 AM
The one thing that seems very odd is "CSS and Macrovision encryption tools".
These are replication house issues, and I think there is major vendor concern about protecting their rather expensive use licenses, I don't see why the general population would get access to this.
Perhaps it's two brochures included in the box? :O)
I'd be interested in both CSS and Macrovision, because 95% of my customers are non-geeks who don't know how to defeat these anti-copying measures. A substantial portion of these customers (20-30% I believe, mostly agencies) are already copying my work, and I'm getting a little bit tired of it.
These are replication house issues, and I think there is major vendor concern about protecting their rather expensive use licenses, I don't see why the general population would get access to this.
Perhaps it's two brochures included in the box? :O)
I'd be interested in both CSS and Macrovision, because 95% of my customers are non-geeks who don't know how to defeat these anti-copying measures. A substantial portion of these customers (20-30% I believe, mostly agencies) are already copying my work, and I'm getting a little bit tired of it.