OT: Save Our Sounds

Coursedesign wrote on 11/25/2009, 7:41 AM
Call from the BBC

Never mind the whales, this is about sounds!

The "SEND US YOUR SOUNDS" section lists what they're looking for from various parts of the world, and the "Desperately Seeking Sounds" sub-section asks for anyone who has recorded a kookaburra to please pass it on to the Beeb for mankind.

Pretty cool, really, and of course they're sharing what they receive, which can make this a useful resource for filmmakers.

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farss wrote on 11/25/2009, 12:41 PM
[i]"asks for anyone who has recorded a kookaburra to please pass it on to the Beeb for mankind"[/]

Maybe one of us down under could oblige?
Difficult to capture that sound as they only laugh at a change in weather. We've got a young one who visits our backyard looking for a any feed but so far not a sound out of him, maybe I need to review his contract.

There's a host of recordings of Australian bird calls on a set of CDs that came my way years ago. The set includes one CD full of tropical frog sounds, no doubt many of those species of frogs have gone the way of the dodo. I'll see if I can connect the copyright owners with the Beeb's project.

Bob.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 11/25/2009, 12:59 PM
stupid question: they don't give away valuable stuff for free, why do they expect, no demand, people give them stuff they consider VERY valuable for free? For them to use however they want?
farss wrote on 11/25/2009, 1:24 PM
That's a very difficult question to answer. The word "priceless" comes to mind. Take a walk around a museum. Much of the stuff in their cost someone a pretty penny and yet they've donated it both for the public good and to ensure it'll be preserved. What you get in return is knowing that long after you're gone people will still read your name.
How did you put a price on the sound of an extinct bird or frog. No doubt someone would have suffered much hardship and expense making that recording, their expenses are oftently covered out of the public purse or by donation. The bigger question though is the loss to all of us if that is lost.
I've kept backup copies of sacred local native music. Recorded at considerable expense by the Australian Museum. No real commercial value, in a few years it will be priceless though as no amount of money can be expended to replace those sounds.

On the other hand I'm in no hurry to expend many hours of my time using my expensive kit to go out and try to record a kookaburra and get nothing back for my effort. That bird is far from extinction. But if I'd been lucky enough to have my own recording of that sound on file I'd donate it in a heartbeat.

Bob.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 11/25/2009, 2:27 PM
I'd happily donate my stuff too, and I'd even happily go out & record audio/video for someone no charge if I thought it would a good enough reason, but this isn't you helping me out or me helping you out, it's people helping out an organization that charges good $$ if we wanted something.

Reading their own submission guidelines, this is a great resource for them: people donate stuff they most likely can't get and they get full unlimited use of it, but the uploaded still has full copyright control for everyone else. So this isn't a free library for others to use as they want, this is a library THEY can use as they want.

Basically, why would any audio/video person want to go out & put time/$$ in to getting "rare" sounds & give (donate is a deceptive term) them to a company so in 10 years they can resell it at 100% profit?

You're right that it is like a museum: those works are owned by someone & you can't even take pictures, you have no rights to anything in there at all. But it's nothing like you're recording the native music: you didn't go out on your own & get that, the place that had value on it payed you to do it because they knew it would be valuable some day (even if not monetarily)
ushere wrote on 11/25/2009, 2:32 PM
you want kookaburra's? i'll give you kookaburra's:

http://www.mediafire.com/?nzinhztnet2
farss wrote on 11/25/2009, 3:50 PM
Clause 7 says what you share with them is under a non exclusive grant of copyright, you do grant them the right to share it with other parties and you do retain the right to use the work yourself.
The Beeb is a NPO.
I cannot see how they could construct a legal contract any other way unless maybe in this instance they should require you to simply place your work into the public domain.

Bob.
farss wrote on 11/25/2009, 3:54 PM
Thanks, annoying buggers when you don't want them :)
I'll add cicadas to the list of unwanted audio intruders. Impossible sound to filter out.

Bob.
ushere wrote on 11/25/2009, 6:31 PM
thankfully since the top end of my hearing has, or is going, circadas aren't the pain (literal) they used to be. and i can set my watch by them out here......

as much as i love the bbc (having worked for them at one point), i'm getting a little tired of every tom, dick and harry in the media asking for 'viewer' contribution. in the beebs case you get access to everyone else's material, but for the commercial channels who ask for stills, footage, etc., there's no payment and you lose your copyright instantly. simple lazyness and greed as far as i'm concerned....

little rant off