OT: Sony HVR-V1 opinions?

crocdoc wrote on 4/12/2008, 6:32 PM
I am fairly new to video (I've been a still photographer for half my life) but am loving it and am keen enough to want full manual functionality as well as XLR audio inputs. I've been using a second hand PD150 for the past couple of years to learn camera basics (as well as a Sony FX1 at my workplace) but at some stage in the near future would like to go widescreen (without paying through the nose for an anamorphic adapter) and HD. I also like the idea of progressive scan and slow-mo (although I've heard the slow-mo on the HVR-V1 is more gimmick than anything else, as the resolution drops so much as to be almost unusable for anything other than analysing one's golf swing, and I don't golf).

When the HVR-V1 first came out I was reading the blurbs about it with interest, but since the release of the Z7 and XDCam EX it seems to have dropped off the radar. Has anyone here had any experience with the V1 and, of so, what are your thoughts on it as a camera?

For what it's worth, 99% of what I'll be shooting will be animals - indoors in captive settings and out in the bush.

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farss wrote on 4/12/2008, 6:53 PM
The V1 is a very fine camera. I think early issues, especially with the PAL variant have caused it get overlooked and hence not sell so well and hence you can get one for quite a good price.
I've shot a few events with one, no complaints apart from the blacks having artifacts in them. Not that the viewing public seem to notice and I was pushing the camera very hard.
There's a person here (ushere) who shoots animals with a V1, his footage looks great, even the low light stuff.

Bob.
crocdoc wrote on 4/12/2008, 7:58 PM
Thanks for that. As I'll be shooting PAL, have the issues been dealt with?
ushere wrote on 4/12/2008, 10:22 PM
thanks bob....

crocdoc, don't think you have anything to worry about at all. i shoot race horses, both parading and in the paddock - no problems at all with cmos (rolling shutter), and the 20x is fabulous compared to the normal 12x

other than outdoors, i've found shooting with available light indoors is usually pretty ok too - however, compared to my old 170 / 150 / 2000, it can't perform anywhere near as well with 'no' light.

batteries last a damn sight longer too....

leslie
crocdoc wrote on 4/14/2008, 2:22 AM
Thanks, Leslie!

Do you use the slow motion function at all?
John_Cline wrote on 4/14/2008, 2:58 AM
The slow motion function is kind of fun, but while it has a very high temporal resolution, it has a very low spatial resolution. The image quality isn't really good enough to be useful for much of anything.
Guy S. wrote on 4/14/2008, 10:14 AM
I purchased an HVR-V1 for use at work last May. It's an Ok camera. But...

1) Low-light is very noisy. Outside at dusk (not a problem with VX-2000) is no longer an option.
2) Supplied "shotgun" mic is a complete joke -- its usable range is 3 feet or less. I verified with Sony that this is just the way it is.
3) Footage shot with my personal camera, a $700 Canon HV20, looks just as good.

The DR-60 hard disk recorder we bought with it works well, BUT...
1) It breaks every shot (even short ones) into two files; one contains the first 1/2 second of the scene and the other file contains the rest of the scene.
2) Each shot is stored in its own folder, so 80 shots = 80 folders.
3) Vegas will only import the entire drive at once; if you shoot 20 shots and transfer them to your hard drive with Vegas, then shoot another 30 shots, Vegas will transfer all 50 (this is an issue because I don't like to delete clips from the DR-60 until my hard drive is backed up (auto-backup runs every night)

I really wanted 24p and a hard disk recorder that was well-integrated, and this works Ok, but if I had to do it again I would look very hard at the Canon A1.
Cheno wrote on 4/14/2008, 10:23 AM
I'll second the Canon A1 if you're not completely Sony and nothing else. I had an V1 for a spell and low light IMO was as bad as you could get with a camera. I was intending to use it with a 35mm adapter and that pretty much nixed that option. I personally don't think it was as good an image as I'm getting with the A1 either. Again it's all subjective but if you look around, I think you'll find twice as many happy Canon A1 owners or more than compared to Sony V1 owners.

cheno
ushere wrote on 4/15/2008, 2:51 AM
haven't used the slow mo. any that maybe required is always done in post. nor have i used the auto trans, but i'm going to look into it on my next talking head shoot.

as for gs's comments:

1. have to agree it's not a low light camera, but then again, why would i shoot in low light, and if i did, it should look like low light - i found my 170 was pretty phenomenal in low light, but it looked like the lights were on... not much use for subtle lighting shots....

2. the mic is no different than that on the 170, et al. more a toy, or rather a look professional but sound amateur affair....

3. have to disagree. had to cut between both and i could see the difference. maybe a client might not.

cheno's;

i looked really hard at the a1 prior to buying the v1 (pal). it was like holding a brick, very uncomfortable for someone with smallish hands to operate the rocker. i thought the actual build rather 'plasticky' and cheap. i did shoot some test footage with both and felt the sharpness and colour of the v1 more pronounced. i thought both pictures though were quite remarkable after sd, and i'd have been happy enough with the a1 if not for it's ergonomcs and poor build.

can't say i know enough users of either camera to make any claims, but i see a lot more sony's on my professional travels than canon's.

good luck

leslie
megabit wrote on 4/15/2008, 3:25 AM
The DR-60 hard disk recorder we bought with it works well, BUT...

You probably have cache enabled; when disbaled it records single file per take (albeit only up to some 4GB due to the FAT32 limitations).

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crocdoc wrote on 4/16/2008, 4:40 AM
I've just been doing a bit of research into the PAL 'issue' with the V1 and it appears that it's not able to shoot in 25P without producing some odd effects. Apparently Sony's firmware fixes did not solve the problem fully so they have stopped promoting its progressive scan abilities in PAL countries. This is certainly true of Australian Sony website (although the downloadable pdf manual still mentions progressive scan).

What is the 25f mode like on the Canon?
farss wrote on 4/16/2008, 4:55 AM
That is a total croc, there is no PAL issue.
There's a few people around who just don't understand video though.

Bob, in PAL land.
megabit wrote on 4/16/2008, 12:27 PM
Like Bob said - there is no PAL issue with the V1. In fact, I miss my V1E sometimes, now that my expectations have been corrected by the reality with the EX1...

Piotr, in another PAL land.

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Guy S. wrote on 4/21/2008, 4:31 PM
<You probably have cache enabled>

I'll try that, thanks.

Guy